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    Re: Handcuffed suspect shoots himself while in the back of a police cruiser

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    He may not have been trying to kill himself. He may have been trying to discard the gun and it went off and he got hit in the head.
    That's kind of what I have been thinking.
    I don't think the shooting was the result of malice. There just doesn't seem to be the right circumstances. Iirc, multiple people were on the scene at the time. Not really good circumstances for wrong doing.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Handcuffed suspect shoots himself while in the back of a police cruiser

    The ME report has been released?

    Where does the info about the lack of test for gunshot residue come from?

    I know a number of people in Jboro still.
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    Re: Handcuffed suspect shoots himself while in the back of a police cruiser

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    The ME report has been released?

    Where does the info about the lack of test for gunshot residue come from?

    I know a number of people in Jboro still.
    The coroners report in online, I read the whole thing and it made no mention of gunshot residue. The lawyer representing the family also has made a public statement asking for the tests.

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    Re: Handcuffed suspect shoots himself while in the back of a police cruiser

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The coroners report in online, I read the whole thing and it made no mention of gunshot residue. The lawyer representing the family also has made a public statement asking for the tests.
    Can you link?
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    Re: Handcuffed suspect shoots himself while in the back of a police cruiser

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Dashcam footage was released, but it was had a gap during the actual shooting. There was an autopsy report, but there was no test done for gunpowder residue on carter's hands. What happened could have been a freak accident, but its quite reasonable to suspect homicide given the circumstances.
    A "gap" during the actual shooting huh? Rather convenient.
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    Re: Handcuffed suspect shoots himself while in the back of a police cruiser

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    A "gap" during the actual shooting huh? Rather convenient.
    I don't think JPD said that there's a gap in their data, but merely a gap in what has been released.
    I agree that this deserves some serious scrutiny, as should every death in custody--at the very least to see if there's anything to be done to prevent another one--but I just don't think there was wrong doing on the officers' part.
    Though, I am of course open to changing my mind if something comes to light.

    The angle of the wound may tell us a little more that might be worth knowing. I think that if the angle shows the gun was significantly below his head, it would indicate that he was trying to stash the gun and had an accidental discharge.
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    Re: Handcuffed suspect shoots himself while in the back of a police cruiser

    I know some folks have most than a fair share of suspicion when it comes to Law Enforcement.

    But they have belly buttons too. They make mistakes, dumb thoughtless ones. Unless something more than the very vague and contradictory reports claim I doubt anyone gets fired.

    You can only make something idiot resistant, because no matter how you try some idiot will come along and prove you can't proof it.

    If you have a friend in LE have them show you some videos on the NTOA website. You would be amazed at what some handcuffed people can do, and how they can hide stuff, and how ineffective a patdown really is. Is why jailers end up with a naked prisoner somewhere is the process of booking.

    There is a good video in a interview room where a suspect is lead in by a detective, this guy has been searched several times. The detective leaves to get a cuppa joe, and the suspect calmly takes a sip of water, twisted the top back on properly, pulls a 1911 45 from under his gut and shoots himself in a calm fluid motion.

    full sized auto 45 missed twice, very hefty fellow, not on his A game interviewer equals an amazing amount of blood to clean-up.

    It appears this Carter young man had quite the drug sheet, his autopsy has multiple drugs listed. However he wasn't a big time guy the cops would have a beef with. He wasn't resisting or making the cops angry. It was routine. It maybe when he was put in the cruiser UNcuffed the first time, he stashed his pistol so only the first search had any chance of finding the pistol. Later, he was pulled back out, cuffed and searched and returned to the same vehicle.

    Mistakes for sure but not career enders. Unless they can show the dead guy was slipping the sausage to one of the cop's significant other...

    Just a mess...

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    Re: Handcuffed suspect shoots himself while in the back of a police cruiser

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I see these cops will be out of a job and sentenced to prison. Every episodes of COPS I seen they always frisk the person,so the idea that they just slapped cuffs on someone and put in the back of the squad car without frisking him sounds extremely suspicious.
    I would imagine that securing the suspect and assuring safety of the suspect and themselves would be their FIRST priority. If you fail that, you have totally ****ed up the job.
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    Re: Handcuffed suspect shoots himself while in the back of a police cruiser

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Can you link?
    Chavis Carter Autopsy

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