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Two deputies killed, two wounded in Louisiana shooting

I think it's rare that "sticking your nose where it doesn't belong" is interpreted as home invasion, so no, still not warm-fuzzy.
 
That's a tiny number given the size of the US. There are thousands of gun deaths every year in the US, the vast majority just aren't reported outside the local area. I doubt there has been any significant change in recent weeks, theis kind of incident will just be getting a little more media attention and you're a little more aware of them.

It's not just the recent spate of shootings that makers me want to move.

It's our broken political system, the rising anger in our daily discourse, our inability to fix any problem no matter how small or basic, our increasingly bland, overly sexualized and violence-loving culture, our flaccid media, the popularity of ****ty movies and music, our proudly fat and lazy lifestyle...and much much more. I'm becoming less and less hopefully about our country. I've always tried to be optimistic about things, but it's getting harder and harder. :moody

It's not that Sweden doesn't have it's own problems, either. It's the nation my ancestors were from and frankly seems like a country I might like.
 
Keep that supply of assault rifles coming, boys and girls!

how many assault rifles have been used in crime that were legally owned since 1934? answer-maybe one

Of course the left-wingers love these tragedies as fuel to power their jihad against honest gun ownership
 
Assault rifles should be outlawed.

you cannot buy or own an assault rifle made after may 19, 1986 unless you are a title II manufacturer or a class III dealer with a police request for product samples

ignorance of gun laws is a standard feature of hoplophobes
 
Who is it that you want to shoot?

Assault rifles are for killing people in large numbers, Tigger. They are not for hunting or defending your home.

if that is true why are civilian police departments issued them

civilian police have no more right or power to kill people than you or I do

so what that means is that police are issued such weapons for SELF DEFENSE AGAINST CRIMINALS

which is the same legitimate purpose other civilians ought to be able to own them for
 
I'm very interested to find out why the gunman initially shot the off duty sheriff's deputy.

My thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the slain deputies. No man is greater than he who gives his life to protect others.
My first guess would be drug related. Being that you are from the same general area as me I don't have to tell you about the NOLA drug/violence problem. Great city, crappy criminal underground.
 
Seriously? there are on the order of 44 people (16,000 a year) killed by criminals using firearms a DAY. Three times that number daily by criminals using means other than firearms. Those incidents are completely ignored, unless there is some sort of shock value. On the same day the Sikh temple was targeted a woman shot 7 people in Detroit because she was pissed over a casino argument.

It will be helpful to actual see what happened here. I would bet that a wanted individual opened fire because he knew he was about to go to jail, then they opened fire again at the trailer they were at for the same reason.

The FBI doesn't agree with your "data"

Crime in the US 2010 report
Homicide Data Table 8 shows 8,775 murders by firearm in 2010

The most recent data available for suicide by firearm is from 2005 which shows 17,002. The same year's accidental/unintentional death by firearm number was 789
Fatal Injury Data

Here's more info showing that some folks will post anything and claim it is a fact even when reality says otherwise
US Violent Crime Down for 5th Straight Year

Jun 11, 2012 6:02pm EDT

(Reuters) - Violent crime in the United States fell for a fifth straight year in 2011 and the number of murders dropped to the lowest in more than four decades, the Federal Bureau of Investigation said on Monday.

U.S. violent crime rates, which include murder, rape, robbery and assault, dropped 4 percent in 2011 from the previous year, according to the FBI's Preliminary Annual Uniform Crime Report.

In addition, property crime, covering burglary, larceny and motor vehicle theft, edged down by just 0.8 percent, the smallest decrease in three years. Nevertheless, that marked the ninth consecutive annual drop in property crimes.

Both violent crime and property crime peaked in the early 1990s, FBI records show. U.S. property crime has fallen steadily since then, falling by 30.6 percent from its 1991 peak through last year, while violent crime has dropped by 38 percent from its 1992 high.
 
The FBI doesn't agree with your "data"

Crime in the US 2010 report
Homicide Data Table 8 shows 8,775 murders by firearm in 2010

The most recent data available for suicide by firearm is from 2005 which shows 17,002. The same year's accidental/unintentional death by firearm number was 789
Fatal Injury Data

Here's more info showing that some folks will post anything and claim it is a fact even when reality says otherwise
Violent crime overall across the board is down. it has nothing to do with the ineffectual 'assault rifle ban'. And why cant anyone EVER define what they mean when they say 'assault rifle'?
 
The FBI doesn't agree with your "data"

Crime in the US 2010 report
Homicide Data Table 8 shows 8,775 murders by firearm in 2010

The most recent data available for suicide by firearm is from 2005 which shows 17,002. The same year's accidental/unintentional death by firearm number was 789
Fatal Injury Data

in reply we get this
Violent crime overall across the board is down. it has nothing to do with the ineffectual 'assault rifle ban'. And why cant anyone EVER define what they mean when they say 'assault rifle'?

Which has zero relationship to the post which stated
Originally Posted by VanceMack
Seriously? there are on the order of 44 people (16,000 a year) killed by criminals using firearms a DAY. Three times that number daily by criminals using means other than firearms. Those incidents are completely ignored, unless there is some sort of shock value. On the same day the Sikh temple was targeted a woman shot 7 people in Detroit because she was pissed over a casino argument.
Does not compute - First, post totally fictitious information, when said 'data' is shown to be fake, post a totally unrelated comment. Does not work for me.
 
in reply we get this


Which has zero relationship to the post which stated
Does not compute - First, post totally fictitious information, when said 'data' is shown to be fake, post a totally unrelated comment. Does not work for me.
But you DID note that in 2005 there was 17000 deaths. Im VERY happy to see violent crime overall going down. Now...using your updated figure there are STILL 24 deaths by criminals using firearms every day. EVERY day. So the occasional spree killing IS sad...tragic...but...why so silent about the DAILY death and violence in the country? Why is there only an outcry occasionally? Why wasnt this woman...http://www.examiner.com/article/ang...-riverfront-following-moonlight-cruise-1...as much a story as the tragic shootings at the Sikh temple? Where is thy continued outrage?

And what IS an 'assault rifle'?
 
It's odd to hear the inconsistencies. One 'hero' talks about using his firearm on anyone who 'sticks their nose where it doesn't belong', but also spoke about using his brite and shiny 45 to put a bullet in his own brain if 'they' came for him.

Actually I'd be alright with a trained shooter armed with a 22 than a punk and an AK. The trained shooter knows better than to shoot someone for putting their nose places a few think they shouldn't-

the AK toting punk would be defending his turf and shoot someone for putting their nose where they shouldn't.

Problem seems to me is while the pro 'gun' crowd paints with a high flying pallet- defend us from a tyrannical government and such (yet they speak of a socialist government taking their hard inherited wealth by force as if tyranny was already here- don't see them taking up arms to defend 'us' from 'them')

but those who do take up the E-Vile black rifles do so not to defend us from the bad ol' gubmint, no they use them on their fellow citizens to commit mass murder.

Oh and the prey/predator didactic is a false premise when it comes to humans. Most civilians don't kill fellow humans to feed, hell most don't kill all the animals they eat. Most civilian's success doesn't depend on another's death. For that matter many prey species have claws, teeth, sharp hooves but they don't hunt and kill to survive.

Self defense isn't predatory...

least not in a polite society... :peace
 
But you DID note that in 2005 there was 17000 deaths. Im VERY happy to see violent crime overall going down. Now...using your updated figure there are STILL 24 deaths by criminals using firearms every day. EVERY day. So the occasional spree killing IS sad...tragic...but...why so silent about the DAILY death and violence in the country? Why is there only an outcry occasionally? Why wasnt this woman...http://www.examiner.com/article/ang...-riverfront-following-moonlight-cruise-1...as much a story as the tragic shootings at the Sikh temple? Where is thy continued outrage?

And what IS an 'assault rifle'?

The 2005 death number was for SUICIDES - please take the time to read all of the words before replying.

NO! There are not "24 deaths by criminals" every day. The majority of homicides are committed by persons acquainted or related to the victim. Technically the murderer is, once convicted, a criminal - that does not mean they would fit the commonly accepted definition of "criminal" which means a person who has committed numerous crimes and perhaps even makes a living from the proceeds of crimes. In 2009, 24.2 percent of victims were slain by family members; 53.8 percent were killed by someone they knew (acquaintance, neighbour, friend, boyfriend, etc.).

Your Examiner link gives me the following
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The page you are looking for could not be found,

An "assault rifle" will at some point be defined by legislation - that the NRA will scream about even though the majority of Americans will approve of the bill.
 
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The 2005 death number was for SUICIDES - please take the time to read all of the words before replying.

NO! There are not "24 deaths by criminals" every day. The majority of homicides are committed by persons acquainted or related to the victim. Technically the murderer is, once convicted, a criminal - that does not mean they would fit the commonly accepted definition of "criminal" which means a person who has committed numerous crimes and perhaps even makes a living from the proceeds of crimes. In 2009, 24.2 percent of victims were slain by family members; 53.8 percent were killed by someone they knew (acquaintance, neighbour, friend, boyfriend, etc.).

Your Examiner link gives me the following


An "assault rifle" will at some point be defined by legislation - that the NRA will scream about even though the majority of Americans will approve of the bill.

the main reason to own assault rifles (the real ones) is to use them against evil. Evil being criminals or control freaks who want to strip people of their rights.

:the acquainted bit includes pushers killing rival pushers, gang bangers killing rival gang bangers

80% of the victims have records.

the main reason why you lefties want to restrict guns is to hassle people whose politics you find distasteful
 
the main reason to own assault rifles (the real ones) is to use them against evil. Evil being criminals or control freaks who want to strip people of their rights.

:the acquainted bit includes pushers killing rival pushers, gang bangers killing rival gang bangers

80% of the victims have records.

the main reason why you lefties want to restrict guns is to hassle people whose politics you find distasteful


Provide proof for the following claim 80% of the victims have records.

Provide specifics, give us some valid links or actual printed matter that would in any manner support this statement of yours.

What are you counting as "records"? Traffic tickets, public drunkeness, loitering ... ? What level of criminality are we looking at in those "records"?

The main reason us lefties want to restrict guns is to reduce the number of unnecessary deaths in this country.
 
Provide proof for the following claim 80% of the victims have records.

Provide specifics, give us some valid links or actual printed matter that would in any manner support this statement of yours.

What are you counting as "records"? Traffic tickets, public drunkeness, loitering ... ? What level of criminality are we looking at in those "records"?

The main reason us lefties want to restrict guns is to reduce the number of unnecessary deaths in this country.

1) GIYLF

2) You have not earned the right or ability to demand I do anything. You are a newbie whose posts do not demonstrate much reasoning.

no study has ever indicated that what you want to do will make us safer. The studies show that gun control schemes people like you crave tend to impact ONLY HONEST PEOPLE

criminals are already banned from even handling firearms.
 
1) GIYLF

2) You have not earned the right or ability to demand I do anything. You are a newbie whose posts do not demonstrate much reasoning.

no study has ever indicated that what you want to do will make us safer. The studies show that gun control schemes people like you crave tend to impact ONLY HONEST PEOPLE

criminals are already banned from even handling firearms.


Cute! Not unexpected though. Make a totally absurd claim and then refuse to support it. Gee I wonder why that might be ... nah, not really, I knew it wasn't going to be supported but the "veteran" likes to make up his own rules.


NO study shows that completely free access to firearms creates a safer society - well, none that have been accepted as anything more than propaganda.
 
1) GIYLF

2) You have not earned the right or ability to demand I do anything. You are a newbie whose posts do not demonstrate much reasoning.

no study has ever indicated that what you want to do will make us safer. The studies show that gun control schemes people like you crave tend to impact ONLY HONEST PEOPLE

criminals are already banned from even handling firearms.
I believe it was John Lott that started a study to prove the positive effects of gun control and then changed his position to the pro firearms side. Could be wrong on that but the trend appears to be open minded gun ban advocates tend to swing to the pro gun side.
 
Criminals will ALWAYS be able to get guns, no matter how many BANS you create. That is what criminals do, they break laws. :roll: No matter how much you want them to, guns are never going to just go away.
 
you cannot buy or own an assault rifle made after may 19, 1986 unless you are a title II manufacturer or a class III dealer with a police request for product samples

ignorance of gun laws is a standard feature of hoplophobes

Knock off the insults, boy.
 
if that is true why are civilian police departments issued them

civilian police have no more right or power to kill people than you or I do

so what that means is that police are issued such weapons for SELF DEFENSE AGAINST CRIMINALS

which is the same legitimate purpose other civilians ought to be able to own them for

Police are trained and disciplined and accountable for evey bullet they fire..
 
The 2005 death number was for SUICIDES - please take the time to read all of the words before replying.

NO! There are not "24 deaths by criminals" every day. The majority of homicides are committed by persons acquainted or related to the victim. Technically the murderer is, once convicted, a criminal - that does not mean they would fit the commonly accepted definition of "criminal" which means a person who has committed numerous crimes and perhaps even makes a living from the proceeds of crimes. In 2009, 24.2 percent of victims were slain by family members; 53.8 percent were killed by someone they knew (acquaintance, neighbour, friend, boyfriend, etc.).

Your Examiner link gives me the following


An "assault rifle" will at some point be defined by legislation - that the NRA will scream about even though the majority of Americans will approve of the bill.
:lamo Ah...so they arent 'criminals' until they are caught and convicted. THAT is what you build an argument on. and...so...wait...you are calling for a ban...of a weapon you cant even identify? You are just succumbing to simple minded rhetoric? We gots ta ban SOMEPIN!!!!!
 
Police are trained and disciplined and accountable for evey bullet they fire..
Oh...WOW...THAT might not stand up to basic scrutiny. Want to bet?

And...can YOU define the 'assault rifle' you want to see banned? We arent having much luck with that...
 
Oh...WOW...THAT might not stand up to basic scrutiny. Want to bet?

And...can YOU define the 'assault rifle' you want to see banned? We arent having much luck with that...

There are bad cops, but they do make a serious effort to train and discipline officers who are NOT mental cases.

Why would I know the laws on assault rifles? In my family were had shotguns, 45s and 38..
 
Police are trained and disciplined and accountable for evey bullet they fire..

But 'civilians' are allowed to just shoot whatever they want whenever, right?
 
There are bad cops, but they do make a serious effort to train and discipline officers who are NOT mental cases.

Why would I know the laws on assault rifles? In my family were had shotguns, 45s and 38..
and yet...we regularly read accounts of people gunned down for carrying nothing more lethal than a wallet. As for the 'accountable for every bullet'....really? Google

COnsidering the number of armed citizens vs armed police officers you would think there would be far MORE accidental shootings by citizens than officers, especially since citizens are FAR more likely to be targeted by criminals. And I love cops...work with lots of them...dont get me wrong...but I am better trained by far than most of the cops I know.

And come ON for Gods sake...if you are going to clamor for a BAN on something...should you at LEAST know what it IS???
 
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