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    Re: Two deputies killed, two wounded in Louisiana shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    I'm very interested to find out why the gunman initially shot the off duty sheriff's deputy.

    My thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the slain deputies. No man is greater than he who gives his life to protect others.
    My first guess would be drug related. Being that you are from the same general area as me I don't have to tell you about the NOLA drug/violence problem. Great city, crappy criminal underground.
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    Re: Two deputies killed, two wounded in Louisiana shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Seriously? there are on the order of 44 people (16,000 a year) killed by criminals using firearms a DAY. Three times that number daily by criminals using means other than firearms. Those incidents are completely ignored, unless there is some sort of shock value. On the same day the Sikh temple was targeted a woman shot 7 people in Detroit because she was pissed over a casino argument.

    It will be helpful to actual see what happened here. I would bet that a wanted individual opened fire because he knew he was about to go to jail, then they opened fire again at the trailer they were at for the same reason.
    The FBI doesn't agree with your "data"

    Crime in the US 2010 report
    Homicide Data Table 8 shows 8,775 murders by firearm in 2010

    The most recent data available for suicide by firearm is from 2005 which shows 17,002. The same year's accidental/unintentional death by firearm number was 789
    Fatal Injury Data

    Here's more info showing that some folks will post anything and claim it is a fact even when reality says otherwise
    US Violent Crime Down for 5th Straight Year

    Jun 11, 2012 6:02pm EDT

    (Reuters) - Violent crime in the United States fell for a fifth straight year in 2011 and the number of murders dropped to the lowest in more than four decades, the Federal Bureau of Investigation said on Monday.

    U.S. violent crime rates, which include murder, rape, robbery and assault, dropped 4 percent in 2011 from the previous year, according to the FBI's Preliminary Annual Uniform Crime Report.

    In addition, property crime, covering burglary, larceny and motor vehicle theft, edged down by just 0.8 percent, the smallest decrease in three years. Nevertheless, that marked the ninth consecutive annual drop in property crimes.

    Both violent crime and property crime peaked in the early 1990s, FBI records show. U.S. property crime has fallen steadily since then, falling by 30.6 percent from its 1991 peak through last year, while violent crime has dropped by 38 percent from its 1992 high.
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    Re: Two deputies killed, two wounded in Louisiana shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    The FBI doesn't agree with your "data"

    Crime in the US 2010 report
    Homicide Data Table 8 shows 8,775 murders by firearm in 2010

    The most recent data available for suicide by firearm is from 2005 which shows 17,002. The same year's accidental/unintentional death by firearm number was 789
    Fatal Injury Data

    Here's more info showing that some folks will post anything and claim it is a fact even when reality says otherwise
    Violent crime overall across the board is down. it has nothing to do with the ineffectual 'assault rifle ban'. And why cant anyone EVER define what they mean when they say 'assault rifle'?

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    Re: Two deputies killed, two wounded in Louisiana shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    The FBI doesn't agree with your "data"

    Crime in the US 2010 report
    Homicide Data Table 8 shows 8,775 murders by firearm in 2010

    The most recent data available for suicide by firearm is from 2005 which shows 17,002. The same year's accidental/unintentional death by firearm number was 789
    Fatal Injury Data
    in reply we get this
    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Violent crime overall across the board is down. it has nothing to do with the ineffectual 'assault rifle ban'. And why cant anyone EVER define what they mean when they say 'assault rifle'?
    Which has zero relationship to the post which stated
    Originally Posted by VanceMack
    Seriously? there are on the order of 44 people (16,000 a year) killed by criminals using firearms a DAY. Three times that number daily by criminals using means other than firearms. Those incidents are completely ignored, unless there is some sort of shock value. On the same day the Sikh temple was targeted a woman shot 7 people in Detroit because she was pissed over a casino argument.
    Does not compute - First, post totally fictitious information, when said 'data' is shown to be fake, post a totally unrelated comment. Does not work for me.
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    Re: Two deputies killed, two wounded in Louisiana shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    in reply we get this


    Which has zero relationship to the post which stated
    Does not compute - First, post totally fictitious information, when said 'data' is shown to be fake, post a totally unrelated comment. Does not work for me.
    But you DID note that in 2005 there was 17000 deaths. Im VERY happy to see violent crime overall going down. Now...using your updated figure there are STILL 24 deaths by criminals using firearms every day. EVERY day. So the occasional spree killing IS sad...tragic...but...why so silent about the DAILY death and violence in the country? Why is there only an outcry occasionally? Why wasnt this woman...http://www.examiner.com/article/ange...-cruise-1...as much a story as the tragic shootings at the Sikh temple? Where is thy continued outrage?

    And what IS an 'assault rifle'?

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    Re: Two deputies killed, two wounded in Louisiana shooting

    It's odd to hear the inconsistencies. One 'hero' talks about using his firearm on anyone who 'sticks their nose where it doesn't belong', but also spoke about using his brite and shiny 45 to put a bullet in his own brain if 'they' came for him.

    Actually I'd be alright with a trained shooter armed with a 22 than a punk and an AK. The trained shooter knows better than to shoot someone for putting their nose places a few think they shouldn't-

    the AK toting punk would be defending his turf and shoot someone for putting their nose where they shouldn't.

    Problem seems to me is while the pro 'gun' crowd paints with a high flying pallet- defend us from a tyrannical government and such (yet they speak of a socialist government taking their hard inherited wealth by force as if tyranny was already here- don't see them taking up arms to defend 'us' from 'them')

    but those who do take up the E-Vile black rifles do so not to defend us from the bad ol' gubmint, no they use them on their fellow citizens to commit mass murder.

    Oh and the prey/predator didactic is a false premise when it comes to humans. Most civilians don't kill fellow humans to feed, hell most don't kill all the animals they eat. Most civilian's success doesn't depend on another's death. For that matter many prey species have claws, teeth, sharp hooves but they don't hunt and kill to survive.

    Self defense isn't predatory...

    least not in a polite society...

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    Re: Two deputies killed, two wounded in Louisiana shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    But you DID note that in 2005 there was 17000 deaths. Im VERY happy to see violent crime overall going down. Now...using your updated figure there are STILL 24 deaths by criminals using firearms every day. EVERY day. So the occasional spree killing IS sad...tragic...but...why so silent about the DAILY death and violence in the country? Why is there only an outcry occasionally? Why wasnt this woman...http://www.examiner.com/article/ange...-cruise-1...as much a story as the tragic shootings at the Sikh temple? Where is thy continued outrage?

    And what IS an 'assault rifle'?
    The 2005 death number was for SUICIDES - please take the time to read all of the words before replying.

    NO! There are not "24 deaths by criminals" every day. The majority of homicides are committed by persons acquainted or related to the victim. Technically the murderer is, once convicted, a criminal - that does not mean they would fit the commonly accepted definition of "criminal" which means a person who has committed numerous crimes and perhaps even makes a living from the proceeds of crimes. In 2009, 24.2 percent of victims were slain by family members; 53.8 percent were killed by someone they knew (acquaintance, neighbour, friend, boyfriend, etc.).

    Your Examiner link gives me the following
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    The page you are looking for could not be found,
    An "assault rifle" will at some point be defined by legislation - that the NRA will scream about even though the majority of Americans will approve of the bill.
    Last edited by Somerville; 08-16-12 at 10:34 PM. Reason: typo
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    Re: Two deputies killed, two wounded in Louisiana shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    The 2005 death number was for SUICIDES - please take the time to read all of the words before replying.

    NO! There are not "24 deaths by criminals" every day. The majority of homicides are committed by persons acquainted or related to the victim. Technically the murderer is, once convicted, a criminal - that does not mean they would fit the commonly accepted definition of "criminal" which means a person who has committed numerous crimes and perhaps even makes a living from the proceeds of crimes. In 2009, 24.2 percent of victims were slain by family members; 53.8 percent were killed by someone they knew (acquaintance, neighbour, friend, boyfriend, etc.).

    Your Examiner link gives me the following


    An "assault rifle" will at some point be defined by legislation - that the NRA will scream about even though the majority of Americans will approve of the bill.
    the main reason to own assault rifles (the real ones) is to use them against evil. Evil being criminals or control freaks who want to strip people of their rights.

    :the acquainted bit includes pushers killing rival pushers, gang bangers killing rival gang bangers

    80% of the victims have records.

    the main reason why you lefties want to restrict guns is to hassle people whose politics you find distasteful

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    Re: Two deputies killed, two wounded in Louisiana shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the main reason to own assault rifles (the real ones) is to use them against evil. Evil being criminals or control freaks who want to strip people of their rights.

    :the acquainted bit includes pushers killing rival pushers, gang bangers killing rival gang bangers

    80% of the victims have records.

    the main reason why you lefties want to restrict guns is to hassle people whose politics you find distasteful

    Provide proof for the following claim 80% of the victims have records.

    Provide specifics, give us some valid links or actual printed matter that would in any manner support this statement of yours.

    What are you counting as "records"? Traffic tickets, public drunkeness, loitering ... ? What level of criminality are we looking at in those "records"?

    The main reason us lefties want to restrict guns is to reduce the number of unnecessary deaths in this country.
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    Re: Two deputies killed, two wounded in Louisiana shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Provide proof for the following claim 80% of the victims have records.

    Provide specifics, give us some valid links or actual printed matter that would in any manner support this statement of yours.

    What are you counting as "records"? Traffic tickets, public drunkeness, loitering ... ? What level of criminality are we looking at in those "records"?

    The main reason us lefties want to restrict guns is to reduce the number of unnecessary deaths in this country.
    1) GIYLF

    2) You have not earned the right or ability to demand I do anything. You are a newbie whose posts do not demonstrate much reasoning.

    no study has ever indicated that what you want to do will make us safer. The studies show that gun control schemes people like you crave tend to impact ONLY HONEST PEOPLE

    criminals are already banned from even handling firearms.

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