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    Re: Executive order from Governor Jan Brewer blocks IDs, benefits for illegal immigra

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    There are no American workers willing to fill this gap.
    Another talking point lie. I know tons of people that do exactly the same type of work as illegals. Day in, day out. Every spring, summer and fall and depending on the work even in the middle of winter.

    See, Idaho doesn't have much illegal immigration (there is some but comparitively speaking not much). Yet we have farms a plenty, (we ARE noted for our potatoes after all), lots of tree farm work, logging, hops, construction etc etc going on here and 99% of the people that does this work are American citizens.
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    Re: Executive order from Governor Jan Brewer blocks IDs, benefits for illegal immigra

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That is nothing more than pro-illegal fear mongering.Prices will not double or triple just because farmers had to start paying hones wages.


    Local News | Low-paid illegal work force has little impact on prices | Seattle Times Newspaper

    More than 7 million illegal immigrants work in the United States. They build houses, pick crops, slaughter cattle, stitch clothes, mow lawns, clean hotel rooms, cook restaurant meals and wash the dishes that come back.
    You might assume that the plentiful supply of low-wage illegal workers would translate into significantly lower prices for the goods and services they produce. In fact, their impact on consumer prices — call it the "illegal-worker discount" — is surprisingly small.
    The bag of Washington state apples you bought last weekend? Probably a few cents cheaper than it otherwise would have been, economists estimate. That steak dinner at a downtown restaurant? Maybe a buck off. Your new house in Subdivision Estates? Hard to say, but perhaps a few thousand dollars less expensive.
    The underlying reason, economists say, is that for most goods the labor — whether legal or illegal, native- or foreign-born — represents only a sliver of the retail price.
    Consider those apples — Washington's signature contribution to the American food basket.
    At a local QFC, Red Delicious apples go for about 99 cents a pound. Of that, only about 7 cents represents the cost of labor, said Tom Schotzko, a recently retired extension economist at Washington State University. The rest represents the grower's other expenses, warehousing and shipping fees, and the retailer's markup.
    And that's for one of the most labor-intensive crops in the state: It takes 150 to 190 hours of labor to grow and harvest an acre of apples, Schotzko said, compared to four hours for an acre of potatoes and 1 ½ hours for an acre of wheat.
    The labor-intensive nature of many crops is a key reason agriculture continues to rely on illegal workers. A report by Jeffrey Passel, a demographer at the Pew Hispanic Center who has long studied immigration trends, estimates that 247,000 illegal immigrants were employed as "miscellaneous agricultural workers" last year — only 3.4 percent of the nation's 7.2 million illegal workers, according to Pew statistics, but 29 percent of all workers in that job category.
    Eliminating illegal farmworkers, by shrinking the pool of available labor, likely would raise wages for those who remain. Philip Martin, a professor of agricultural economics at the University of California, Davis, noted that two years after the old bracero program ended in 1964, the United Farm Workers union won a 40 percent increase for grape harvesters.
    A decade ago, two Iowa State University agricultural economists estimated that removing all illegal farmworkers would raise wages for seasonal farmworkers by 30 percent in the first couple of years, and 15 percent in the medium term.
    But supermarket prices of summer-fall fruits and vegetables, they concluded, would rise by just 6 percent in the short run — dropping to 3 percent over time, as imports took up some of the slack and some farmers mechanized their operations or shifted out of labor-intensive crops. (Winter-spring produce would be even less affected, they found, because so much already is imported.)
    Well if we don't see any change in price for subverting our labor laws, then screw it, owners can pay fair labor prices and we'll just employ Americans at these jobs.
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    Re: Executive order from Governor Jan Brewer blocks IDs, benefits for illegal immigra

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    They told people it was only 1.3 million illegals that would be granted amnesty,just like Obama's back door amnesty 800,000 is the number they said that would be qualified for it.But the reality is was nearly 3 million illegals that got Ragean Amnesty and it will be more than double that will get Obama's back door amnesty because illegals do not have to prove they were brought here as kids.

    A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants : NPR
    The law granted amnesty to nearly 3 million illegal immigrants, yet was largely considered unsuccessful because the strict sanctions on employers were stripped out of the bill for passage


    This is why it is a lie when pro-illegals try to claim fruits and veggies will double or triple in price if farmers are forced to pay their workers a honest wage and why I am against outsourcing.



    That is a lie.

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    Re: Executive order from Governor Jan Brewer blocks IDs, benefits for illegal immigra

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Not all republicans and democrats support illegal immigration.This is why the Bush/Kennedy/McCain amnesty plan failed the last time.
    That is fine. I'm just pointing out the BS the right tries to use to against illegal immigration. That is why I don't believe a word Republicans say about it. Personally, I don't care that they are here making a life for themselves.

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    Re: Executive order from Governor Jan Brewer blocks IDs, benefits for illegal immigra

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Another talking point lie. I know tons of people that do exactly the same type of work as illegals. Day in, day out. Every spring, summer and fall and depending on the work even in the middle of winter.

    See, Idaho doesn't have much illegal immigration (there is some but comparitively speaking not much). Yet we have farms a plenty, (we ARE noted for our potatoes after all), lots of tree farm work, logging, hops, construction etc etc going on here and 99% of the people that does this work are American citizens.

    Southern NJ has alot of americans pick crops too.....Heres the problem...its not that americans WONT PICK CROPS...they wont pick crops for minimum wage or below...the rich guys dont like that....they dont even think there should be a minimum wage...they should pay 50cts an hour...Oh wait they do in china...smirk

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    Re: Executive order from Governor Jan Brewer blocks IDs, benefits for illegal immigra

    Quote Originally Posted by Vallista View Post
    That is fine. I'm just pointing out the BS the right tries to use to against illegal immigration. That is why I don't believe a word Republicans say about it. Personally, I don't care that they are here making a life for themselves.
    Illegal immigration is not a left vs right issue.Just because there are some disloyal unpatriotic republicans who toss the salad of illegals and the scum that hire them doesn't mean every republican is a hypocrite for speaking out against illegal immigration when Obama is trying to push a backdoor amnesty.
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    Re: Executive order from Governor Jan Brewer blocks IDs, benefits for illegal immigra

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Southern NJ has alot of americans pick crops too.....Heres the problem...its not that americans WONT PICK CROPS...they wont pick crops for minimum wage or below...the rich guys dont like that....they dont even think there should be a minimum wage...they should pay 50cts an hour...Oh wait they do in china...smirk
    THey wish they got 50 cents an hour.They make 23-37½cents an hour and have to work 80 hours a week.

    washingtonpost.com: Chinese Workers Pay for Wal-Mart's Low Prices
    Most of the 2,100 workers here are poor migrants from the countryside who have come to this industrial hub in southern China for jobs that pay about $120 a month.

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    Li said these factories often require employees to work as many as 80 hours per week during the busy season for $75 to $110 per month,
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Executive order from Governor Jan Brewer blocks IDs, benefits for illegal immigra

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well if we don't see any change in price for subverting our labor laws, then screw it, owners can pay fair labor prices and we'll just employ Americans at these jobs.
    I don't believe prices should be an issue in whether or not enforce anti-illegal immigration laws.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Executive order from Governor Jan Brewer blocks IDs, benefits for illegal immigra

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I don't believe prices should be an issue in whether or not enforce anti-illegal immigration laws.
    As true as that is, I think people do play it into their consideration and/or arguments.
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    Re: Executive order from Governor Jan Brewer blocks IDs, benefits for illegal immigra

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    THey wish they got 50 cents an hour.They make 23-37½cents an hour and have to work 80 hours a week.

    washingtonpost.com: Chinese Workers Pay for Wal-Mart's Low Prices
    Most of the 2,100 workers here are poor migrants from the countryside who have come to this industrial hub in southern China for jobs that pay about $120 a month.

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    Li said these factories often require employees to work as many as 80 hours per week during the busy season for $75 to $110 per month,

    You dont understand...Our corporations are doing it for humanitarian reasons..to uplift the poor chinese....they know the middleclass here makes to o m uch and has to much...and its all medicares fault anyway...

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