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Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

Things may have changed, but the last i heard a couple years ago was that the youth of Iran (who make up the majority due to the conflict with Iraq) were not dissatisfied with an islamic state, they just want a moderate form so they can join the western world.

They do indeed dislike the harsh, corrupt system they have now.

But the old guard is actually going to simply die off. Almost an entire generation was killed off fighting Iraq. Theres old men and young men and no one in the middle. When the old bastards die off the time of the ayatollahs will end.

I never said I was fundamentally opposed to Islamist parties in politics, so long as it takes place as part of a constitutional and democratic republic. The youth of Iran desire a true constitutional and democratic republic, and demonstrated that when millions of them poured into the streets. They are not in favor of an IRGC supported Mullah-acracy that reaches into the political, cultural, and economic space with increasing regularity and intensity. A state that arbitrarily arrests and imprisons thousands of its citizens at a time, and one that spirits off the most vocal dissidents to torture dungeons beneath Evin Prison, or lynches them in the countryside by Basij militia. Hussein-Ali Montazeri was the senior Grand Ayatollah in Iran, and tipped to be the next spiritual leader in the 1990's. How did he lost his position? He lost it when he lost faith in the Islamic Republic and sent out 'night letters' decrying the mass purges and executions the state had begun to engage in. Subjected to house arrest he became a totemic symbol for the Islamist opposition and the civil opposition. He died under house arrest. That is the Iran that people want, one that respects democratic liberties AND civil liberties.
 
What the heck .... Israel will attack ...or it won't attack .... whenever it thinks is the right time.


Like it needs to ask for permission to everybody .... :roll:
 
What the heck .... Israel will attack ...or it won't attack .... whenever it thinks is the right time.


Like it needs to ask for permission to everybody .... :roll:

Not permission per se, but, a coordinated effort or at least let all allies what is going on. Nobody likes to get caught with their pants down...
 
When you feel robbed at the pump I do hope you are blaming your government. The government's take on a gallon of gasoline greatly exceeds oil company profits on the same gallon. And government did nothing other than stand in the way at every step of the process.

'Cept for payin for all the soldiers and bullets and stuff.
 
Not permission per se, but, a coordinated effort or at least let all allies what is going on. Nobody likes to get caught with their pants down...


Had Israel asked "permission" to strike its enemies through history ..... there would be no Israel State by now
 
What the heck .... Israel will attack ...or it won't attack .... whenever it thinks is the right time.


Like it needs to ask for permission to everybody .... :roll:

Cross border incursions are frowned upon these days for most countries. But we got drones in everybodys business, so why get bent if Israel wants to bomd the crap out of Iran?

Of course we'll have to get involved and that'll make ANOTHER generation of Iranians hate us for good reason.

Thatll certainly further stability and democracy in the region
 
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Cross border incursions are frowned upon these days for most countries. But we got drones in everybodys business, so why get bent if Israel wants to bomd the crap out of Iran that we'll have to get involved in that'll make ANOTHER generation of Iranians hate us for good reason.

Thatll certainly further stability and democracy in the region


Haters will hate What if...? that's life
 
Had Israel asked "permission" to strike its enemies through history ..... there would be no Israel State by now

I never said they did. I was taking about providing notice as a form of courtesy to their allies.
 
I never said they did. I was taking about providing notice as a form of courtesy to their allies.


Oh, that's ok then.... no problem there!
 
I never said they did. I was taking about providing notice as a form of courtesy to their allies.

I don't think they care about courtesy, only about themsleves.
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What the heck .... Israel will attack ...or it won't attack .... whenever it thinks is the right time.


Like it needs to ask for permission to everybody .... :roll:

Technically Israel doesn't need to ask permission Mya but it would be incredibly irresponsible for them to attack Iran without international support/agreeance that a strike is the only viable option and that all diplomatic avenues for a peaceful solution have been completely exhausted.

It would be madness to act without that support. This is not the six day war and it won't be over quickly.
 
Technically Israel doesn't need to ask permission Mya but it would be incredibly irresponsible for them to attack Iran without international support/agreeance that a strike is the only viable option and that all diplomatic avenues for a peaceful solution have been completely exhausted.

It would be madness to act without that support. This is not the six day war and it won't be over quickly.

I agree!

I only have been trying to make the point here that had Israel asked permission to the whole world to defend itself in the past.... there would be no Israel now. That's all :)
 
I agree!

I only have been trying to make the point here that had Israel asked permission to the whole world to defend itself in the past.... there would be no Israel now. That's all :)

I agree they would have co-opted their ability to act as a sovereign nation.
 
Since Israel is a sovereign nation that can do whatever they want then they can fight their own wars. If they want to bomb Iran so be it. However, they and they alone should deal with consequences of that action. Not a single American should give up their life so BB can make war with another country. Moreover, we should immediately suspend all future aid to them. I think it's scheduled to be 3.3 billion next year. Israel has every right to acts in it's own self interest and so do we. War with Iran is not in our interest.
 
When you feel robbed at the pump I do hope you are blaming your government. The government's take on a gallon of gasoline greatly exceeds oil company profits on the same gallon. And government did nothing other than stand in the way at every step of the process.



Has nothing to do with profit per gallon...as a normal rule....correct me if Im wrong...there is tax on a gallon of gas...at 2.00 a gallon...other than sales tax if that same gallon of gas shoots to 4.00 the tax stays the same ? unless im wrong then the only people making the "EXTRA" profit is the oil company...the retailers keep telling us their profit margin stays the same when the price increases....
I think you know big oil sticks it to us on a regular basis
 
I think it's funny how some people equate any action with imperialism.
 
I think it's funny how some people equate any action with imperialism.

im·pe·ri·al·ism   [im-peer-ee-uh-liz-uhm] Show IPA
noun
1. the policy of extending the rule or authority of an empire or nation over foreign countries, or of acquiring and holding colonies and dependencies.
2. advocacy of imperial interests.
3. an imperial system of government.
4. imperial government.
5. British . the policy of so uniting the separate parts of an empire with separate governments as to secure for certain purposes a single state.
insisting iran can have no nuclear capacity because that is what WE want is clearly imperialism

you owe that forum member an apology









Imperialism | Define Imperialism at Dictionary.com
 
The UN is not a nation. You owe society an apology.
 
War with Iran is not in our interest.

Iran with ballistic missiles AND nukes is also not in our interest either. And any leader that says this...

(bold is mine)
"From now on, in any place, if any nation or any group confronts the Zionist regime, we will endorse and we will help. We have no fear expressing this," said Khamenei.

He said Israel is a "cancerous tumor that should be cut and will be cut".
Iran: We will help 'cut out the cancer of Israel' - Telegraph


...is hardly demonstrating a defensive mindset.
 
Technically Israel doesn't need to ask permission

Not just "technically" ... but IN REALITY.

but it would be incredibly irresponsible for them to attack Iran without international support/agreeance that a strike is the only viable option and that all diplomatic avenues for a peaceful solution have been completely exhausted.

Does this mean that Israel needs to wait until Iran gets a nuke. I am all for peace ... unfortunately, the Iranians cannot truthfully say the same ... Oh, I forgot ... Allah allows Muslims to lie to Infidels.

It would be madness to act without that support.

NO! The "madness" is to wait until Iran gets a nuke.

This is not the six day war and it won't be over quickly.

I agree with the point you are making, but including the six day war is not the best choice for an analogy.

Mya,

I do not mean to offend you, but this reply to you got the best of me and I had to respond.

A L
 
I think it's funny how some people equate any action with imperialism.

What would people do without their buzz terms, though, Eco?

You aren't actually asking the Israel haters to think instead of just mimic, are you? Oh, the nerve!
 
insisting iran can have no nuclear capacity because that is what WE want is clearly imperialism

you owe that forum member an apology









Imperialism | Define Imperialism at Dictionary.com

No it isn't lol. You're sentence only makes sense if you ignore everything that you didn't highlight to make a completely new one. It reads verbatum "the policy of extending the rule or authority of an empire or nation over foreign countries, or of acquiring and holding colonies and dependencies." I don't believe rule or authority of an Empire is being extended over a nation there.
 
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