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    How would China launch a 'proxy' war against the US in the region, which really means launching a proxy war against our Gulf allies, whom are their largest energy partners (they have been divesting their Iranian import contracts btw), and with what resources and what 'proxies'? Furthermore that is not how the treasury debt situation works. 'Calling in' the treasury debt is not only not really possible, it would be catastrophic to China which trades in foreign currency reserves, and for a multitude of other reasons.
    China wouldn't have to call in the debt. it could simply stop buying new debt. as our creditor, China does hold sway, and i disagree that it would be hurt as much as we would by debt manipulation. it can and does manipulate its own currency, which also could have a big effect on our now delicate economy. not to mention, China makes pretty much all of our electronics now. secondly, China and Russia have the ability to arm the Iranians and anyone else who wants to get on board to the hilt. this would erase any hope of stability in the region, and it also would decrease the safety of Israel.

    once again, there aren't any good options. i think that the least bad options are diplomatic and economic until Iran demonstrates that aggression is inevitable.

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    Re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    China wouldn't have to call in the debt. it could simply stop buying new debt. as our creditor, China does hold sway, and i disagree that it would be hurt as much as we would by debt manipulation. it can and does manipulate its own currency, which also could have a big effect on our now delicate economy. not to mention, China makes pretty much all of our electronics now. secondly, China and Russia have the ability to arm the Iranians and anyone else who wants to get on board to the hilt. this would erase any hope of stability in the region, and it also would decrease the safety of Israel.

    once again, there aren't any good options. i think that the least bad options are diplomatic and economic until Iran demonstrates that aggression is inevitable.
    If China stopped purchasing debt it would have the same effect. China has a vested interested in purchasing US treasuries, both to buttress its supply of foreign currency reserves, and to maintain US import demand and capability on which Chinese growth rests. It is why the CIC moved to shore up US banks during the financial crisis, and why China did not suspend its purchase of US treasuries. To think that a strike on Iran would force them to put an economic gun to their head, when a world wide economic crises wouldn't, is absurd.

    You have also still failed to explain why they would take the fantastically risky position of equipping Iran with advanced weaponry when they have to date refused to do so, and secondly how they would facilitate the deployment of such systems in a timeline that actually effects an existing campaign. Furthermore you have not addressed China's unwillingness to aggravate its greatest regional energy partners. Why China would intervene to protect a doomed Iran at the cost of losing all of its investments both political and economic with Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the UAE, etc is beyond me and does not match up with reality.

    A Sino-Russian savior intervention in Iran is fantasy.

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    Re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    If China stopped purchasing debt it would have the same effect. China has a vested interested in purchasing US treasuries, both to buttress its supply of foreign currency reserves, and to maintain US import demand and capability on which Chinese growth rests. It is why the CIC moved to shore up US banks during the financial crisis, and why China did not suspend its purchase of US treasuries. To think that a strike on Iran would force them to put an economic gun to their head, when a world wide economic crises wouldn't, is absurd.

    You have also still failed to explain why they would take the fantastically risky position of equipping Iran with advanced weaponry when they have to date refused to do so, and secondly how they would facilitate the deployment of such systems in a timeline that actually effects an existing campaign. Furthermore you have not addressed China's unwillingness to aggravate its greatest regional energy partners. Why China would intervene to protect a doomed Iran at the cost of losing all of its investments both political and economic with Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the UAE, etc is beyond me and does not match up with reality.

    A Sino-Russian savior intervention in Iran is fantasy.
    we're both simply playing the prediction game. my argument is that Russia and China will protect their business interests in Iran with varying degrees of covertness. is your argument that if Israel launches preemptive strikes (nuclear or conventional), China and Russia will pick up stakes, move on, and not respond? what, if any, reaction do you expect from Russia and China following a preemptive attack on Iran?

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    Re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    we're both simply playing the prediction game. my argument is that Russia and China will protect their business interests in Iran with varying degrees of covertness. is your argument that if Israel launches preemptive strikes (nuclear or conventional), China and Russia will pick up stakes, move on, and not respond? what, if any, reaction do you expect from Russia and China following a preemptive attack on Iran?
    No, you are making claims and predictions far outside the realm of what any analyst at any legitimate institution whether government, non-profit, or private is saying. As for what I'm saying of course they will not respond militarily, it is ludicrous, mark that, ludicrous to believe China would stick its neck out for Iran when they have already started to assist the Saudi's in facilitating defacto sanctions on the country by divesting their Iranian import portfolio. Russia has no reason or means to sincerely intervene, and the decision to arm Iran would led to a catastrophic surge of activity on its periphery (the end of the defacto arms embargo on Georgia, the extension of the Manas Airforce Base lease, the deployment of missile assets to Eastern Europe, the arming of Azerbaijan, etc) for ZERO gain.

    Also what business interests? Russia already lost out on a nearly $13 billion contract with Iran because it refused to supply them with S-300 missile batteries, planes, warships, armored vehicles, etc. They have instituted a defacto arms embargo on the country. While China hasn't sold them significant military equipment in some time and has much more important regional trading partners.

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    Re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    No, you are making claims and predictions far outside the realm of what any analyst at any legitimate institution whether government, non-profit, or private is saying. As for what I'm saying of course they will not respond militarily, it is ludicrous, mark that, ludicrous to believe China would stick its neck out for Iran when they have already started to assist the Saudi's in facilitating defacto sanctions on the country by divesting their Iranian import portfolio. Russia has no reason or means to sincerely intervene, and the decision to arm Iran would led to a catastrophic surge of activity on its periphery (the end of the defacto arms embargo on Georgia, the extension of the Manas Airforce Base lease, the deployment of missile assets to Eastern Europe, the arming of Azerbaijan, etc) for ZERO gain.

    Also what business interests? Russia already lost out on a nearly $13 billion contract with Iran because it refused to supply them with S-300 missile batteries, planes, warships, armored vehicles, etc. They have instituted a defacto arms embargo on the country. While China hasn't sold them significant military equipment in some time and has much more important regional trading partners.
    a little more on this issue : Waiting for Russia's Next Move on Iran - Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

    so, to be clear, you believe that China and Russia will allow a preemptive attack on Iran, and will not respond?

    i would disagree. they are already responding.

    Russia: New US sanctions on Iran 'overt ... JPost - International
    China slams new US-Iran sanctions as 'serious violation of intl rules' — RT

    exactly how they will respond is certainly up for debate. whether they will respond is decidedly less so.

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