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    Re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

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    I think you're right. Still, I think he wants to get us out, but just like in Iraq, we don't have a good exit strategy. The Taliban and other sundry groups are just waiting us out at this point. They know they can't win toe-to-toe with the US. So instead they wait under cover in their rat holes. They'll nibble around the edges, sacrificing the young among their numbers to claim they're still fighting, but accomplishing almost nothing. When the US leaves, they'll just claim victory. It's hard to have a good exit strategy to defeat that kind of propaganda.
    Bin Laden's prediction was that the US would be defeated not on the battlefield, but by spending itself to bankruptcy on endless war. Many here seem dedicated to make his prediction come true!
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    Re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Bin Laden's prediction was that the US would be defeated not on the battlefield, but by spending itself to bankruptcy on endless war. Many here seem dedicated to make his prediction come true!
    I don't think we've spent ourselves into bankruptcy, but we've wasted a lot of money trying to bring democracy to people's incapable and unwilling to accept it. If people aren't ready for it, it's time to let them muddle through on their own.
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    Re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    I don't think we've spent ourselves into bankruptcy, but we've wasted a lot of money trying to bring democracy to people's incapable and unwilling to accept it. If people aren't ready for it, it's time to let them muddle through on their own.
    Evidently the GOP thinks the debt is bad enough they have to cut back on benefits to our seniors and the rest of the 99%.
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    Re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    I think you're right. Still, I think he wants to get us out, but just like in Iraq, we don't have a good exit strategy. The Taliban and other sundry groups are just waiting us out at this point. They know they can't win toe-to-toe with the US. So instead they wait under cover in their rat holes. They'll nibble around the edges, sacrificing the young among their numbers to claim they're still fighting, but accomplishing almost nothing. When the US leaves, they'll just claim victory. It's hard to have a good exit strategy to defeat that kind of propaganda.
    Sooo you are saying the occupiers are waging war against little kids? Time to get the **** out.
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    Re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

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    Its good to read someone's original post before you start arguing with them and probably good to read the post they were responding to in the first place. What are you talking about? Last time I checked we are discussing possible outcomes of the US getting involved in a conflict between Iran and Israel.

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    Re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    I don't think we've spent ourselves into bankruptcy, but we've wasted a lot of money trying to bring democracy to people's incapable and unwilling to accept it. If people aren't ready for it, it's time to let them muddle through on their own.
    Good point.. Democracy is organic .. and it requires a literate population, a free press and a robust middle class. In the muslim world there is no history or concept of civic participation for the vast majority.

    And, I'm not knocking them.. I am particularly fond of the ME... if not Afghanistan.

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    Re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    They said the war on Iraq would be a cakewalk and we were there almost a decade.
    Here's a little refresher on the Iraq predictions. They missed by more than a little bit


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    Re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulBot415 View Post
    @sherman123
    Its good to read someone's original post before you start arguing with them and probably good to read the post they were responding to in the first place. What are you talking about? Last time I checked we are discussing possible outcomes of the US getting involved in a conflict between Iran and Israel.
    I did, I was addressing the point. I've been arguing in this thread for some time.

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    Re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Good point.. Democracy is organic .. and it requires a literate population, a free press and a robust middle class. In the muslim world there is no history or concept of civic participation for the vast majority.

    And, I'm not knocking them.. I am particularly fond of the ME... if not Afghanistan.
    What was the history of civic participation in absolutist Europe? An ancestral memory to Rome and Greece? I think the issue is not that the people in the Middle East have no heritage of civil democracy, it is that orthodox Islam clashes with the creation of a strong secular authority. This is an issue that will be addressed and dealt with as time goes on, but remains a core problem.

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    Re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulBot415 View Post
    @sherman123
    Its good to read someone's original post before you start arguing with them and probably good to read the post they were responding to in the first place. What are you talking about? Last time I checked we are discussing possible outcomes of the US getting involved in a conflict between Iran and Israel.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I did, I was addressing the point. I've been arguing in this thread for some time.
    so you think we should be involved? im basing that on what youve said to me thus far, correct me if im wrong. if im not wrong, then why should we be involved? how does that help America and more importantly, American citizens?

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