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    re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

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    Meanwhile, the Nobel Committee can award Romney or Obama another Peace Prize.
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    re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

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    I'm sure it's too much to ask that our government let Israel fight it's own war. Sooner or later the rest of the world is going to start kicking back against all this aggression and our leaders must know this. Therefore, I have to assume that there are people who want a large scale conflict in the world. Aren't constant wars one of the signatures of a society in decline?

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    re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

    The inevitable is being delayed because nobody wants to face the horrible consequences of a regional war.

    All diplomatic processes and sanctions have had no effect on Iran's production of future nuclear capabilities, and it is obvious that Iran must turn over a new leaf or war will become a reality and the current bluster will turn deadly.

    This is not a game.

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    re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    right. meanwhile, Russia and China just back right off and let Iran be conquered in a month. what a fairy tale.
    Hmm? Did we read the same article? I don't think there was any mention of troops crossing Iranian borders at any stage of that article. I also don't think it's realistic to think that Russia or China would militarily intercede in a conflict between a nuclear power and a foe who is inimical to major energy producing countries in the Gulf. China might try and preclude military intervention for a number of reasons. But there is no way they are going to extend their neck out for them when the missiles start to fly. The same can be said for Syria.

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    re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Hmm? Did we read the same article? I don't think there was any mention of troops crossing Iranian borders at any stage of that article. I also don't think it's realistic to think that Russia or China would militarily intercede in a conflict between a nuclear power and a foe who is inimical to major energy producing countries in the Gulf. China might try and preclude military intervention for a number of reasons. But there is no way they are going to extend their neck out for them when the missiles start to fly. The same can be said for Syria.
    i respectfully and strongly disagree that Russia and China will sit on the sidelines if a preemptive strike is launched on Iran.

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    re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i respectfully and strongly disagree that Russia and China will sit on the sidelines if a preemptive strike is launched on Iran.
    What will they do? In this scenario when a flurry of Jericho-III Missiles and Popeye Turbo II cruise missiles hit Iranian early warning, air defense, and command and control sites, what will Russia and China's tangible response be? I think its ludicrous to think it will involve a military intervention.

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    re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    What will they do? In this scenario when a flurry of Jericho-III Missiles and Popeye Turbo II cruise missiles hit Iranian early warning, air defense, and command and control sites, what will Russia and China's tangible response be? I think its ludicrous to think it will involve a military intervention.
    how about the begin arming iran to the teeth
    share nuclear weapons making secrets and materiel
    build alliances with those who oppose the israel-USA - house of saud triple threat
    and china could refuse to lend us any more money

    both countries have already warned against iranian invasion

    besides, what is the legitimate basis to justify an attack against iran
    besides that we did not actually require one to invade iraq
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    What will they do? In this scenario when a flurry of Jericho-III Missiles and Popeye Turbo II cruise missiles hit Iranian early warning, air defense, and command and control sites, what will Russia and China's tangible response be? I think its ludicrous to think it will involve a military intervention.
    i think it's ludicrous to argue that the Iranian nuclear program will be ended solely by a series of surgical conventional missile strikes. Russia and China have a plethora of (proxy and other) military and economic options at their disposal to respond to such a preemptive strike. and if the surgical missile strike is nuclear, the entire world community will respond to some degree.

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    re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    how about the begin arming iran to the teeth
    share nuclear weapons making secrets and materiel
    build alliances with those who oppose the israel-USA - house of saud triple threat
    and china could refuse to lend us any more money

    both countries have already warned against iranian invasion

    besides, what is the legitimate basis to justify an attack against iran
    besides that we did not actually require one to invade iraq
    1. Arming Iran to the teeth?

    A. What will they give them that would matter? After the air defense grid is debilitated, what could China or Russia reasonably supply that would matter?
    B. How will they deliver it in a timeline that matters? Are they going to ship SAM batteries and hope they arrive a few weeks after the campaign is over? Are they going to fly jets there and start fighting a nuclear power in the air?
    C. Why would they do this and incite retaliation on their frontiers via proxies or by other means?
    D. There is NO WAY they would do this! The prospect of Russian or Chinese MILITARY involvement is absolute zero. Acc

    2. Share nuclear weapons secrets?

    A. Why? Why on earth would this happen? Despite all the precedent of both Russia and China stridently opposing the delivery of actual nuclear technology to other countries. It is in no way in their interests to see nuclear technology spread. Certainly not in a wartime environment.
    B. It is unfeasible. There is no realistic scenario where China delivers 'nuclear materials' that fundamentally alter the situation. It takes months to years to take advantage of that. Furthermore there is no way they would send a warhead.

    3. Build an alliance?

    A. They are already doing that when they can. But the candidates are slim. Who can they ally with? This is precisely the point.

    4. Refuse to lend us money?

    A. That isn't how that works. China buys treasury debt for multiple reasons all of them selfish, it isn't out of charitable intention.
    B. It would end very badly for them.

    5. Warned against Invasion?

    A. No one is talking about an invasion.
    B. They have never, never, never said they would become militarily involved to defend Iran. China CERTAINLY will not because it has more of an interest in cultivating ties with the Gulf States and the rest of the Islamic Conference. Russia has no will or means, and everything to lose.

    6. What is the legitimate basis?

    A. That Iran has a nuclear program that is aimed towards acquiring nuclear weapons, and the Iranian acquisition of nuclear weapons is inimical to a variety of objectives not the least of which is regional stability.
    B. That Iran is an autocratic and ambitious regional power that has an untrustworthy history and that their acquisition of nuclear weapons would be particularly harmful in a variety of ways.

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