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    Re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by Another Lurker View Post
    However, YOUR sweethearts in Iran have pledged to DESTROY Israel.
    Not really. He claimed they will destroy the Zionist regime in Israel, not Israel itself. You make the distinction, right?
    It's no different than the US claiming to liberate the people of a country form the atrocities of it's corrupted government. Iraq, for example.

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    Re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Not really. He claimed they will destroy the Zionist regime in Israel, not Israel itself. You make the distinction, right?
    It's no different than the US claiming to liberate the people of a country form the atrocities of it's corrupted government. Iraq, for example.
    And to do this would require "war" with Israel. So we can dispense with the notion that Iran is "only defending" itself.
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    Re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Iran with ballistic missiles AND nukes is also not in our interest either. And any leader that says this...

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    Iran: We will help 'cut out the cancer of Israel' - Telegraph


    ...is hardly demonstrating a defensive mindset.
    Let's see they are under sanctions, governments are threatening to bomb them, they have been cyber attacked and their scientist have been murdered in terrorist attacks. Yeah a few harsh words are identical to acts of war. How do threats to Israel threaten us? They don't! in fact it's the exact opposite look up Patreaus's testimony before congress.

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    Re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Not really. He claimed they will destroy the Zionist regime in Israel, not Israel itself. You make the distinction, right?
    You presented me with a problem. In researching your statements I think (actually I KNOW) you have a point about what 'dinner jacket' actually said. And yes the problems are ... in translation ... and in media hype. And apparently I am a victim of both. I have no use for the slime ball aka 'dinner jacket', nor do I favor Iran getting a nuke (dinner jacket WILL use it). But you are correct in what you say about the government vice the nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    It's no different than the US claiming to liberate the people of a country form the atrocities of it's corrupted government. Iraq, for example.
    However, we disagree about this. Yes Iraq (like most of the ME) has its tribal/religious sect problems ... but Saddam had to go. The oil distribution, the Kurds, the Shiite/Sunni, and myriad other problems still exist and I don't think even Allah can sort them all out.

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    Re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by John.NoseTip View Post
    Let's see they are under sanctions, governments are threatening to bomb them, they have been cyber attacked and their scientist have been murdered in terrorist attacks. Yeah a few harsh words are identical to acts of war. How do threats to Israel threaten us? They don't! in fact it's the exact opposite look up Patreaus's testimony before congress.
    Destabilizing the ME, which supplies us with vital oil supplies, is a threat to us. Threatening to close the Strait of Hormuz is a threat to us. Proclaiming they could to destroy US bases in the region is a threat to us. They've gone quite out of their way to make sure we know they are a threat.
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    Re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Not really. He claimed they will destroy the Zionist regime in Israel, not Israel itself. You make the distinction, right?
    It's no different than the US claiming to liberate the people of a country form the atrocities of it's corrupted government. Iraq, for example.
    Well if its just the regime they have a problem with, then they would have no problem recognizing the country.
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    Re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Destabilizing the ME, which supplies us with vital oil supplies, is a threat to us. Threatening to close the Strait of Hormuz is a threat to us. Proclaiming they could to destroy US bases in the region is a threat to us. They've gone quite out of their way to make sure we know they are a threat.
    We actually do no get much oil through the straits. Hardly enough to considering it vital, or a threat to us if its closed.
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    Re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Destabilizing the ME, which supplies us with vital oil supplies, is a threat to us. Threatening to close the Strait of Hormuz is a threat to us. Proclaiming they could to destroy US bases in the region is a threat to us. They've gone quite out of their way to make sure we know they are a threat.
    israeli officials are pounding the war drums, the question being when - not whether - it will trespass iran's sovereign territory and dismantle its infrastructure, and you cite iran as being the threat
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    the options would include a proxy war against the US and Israel in the region, as well as a shadow economic war. it wouldn't take much to send the US into a depression, and China holds a significant amount of our debt.

    the least poor option is to continue diplomatic and economic strategies until Iran demonstrates that its nuclear program is truly malignant.
    You do understand that if I owe you a lot of money, you can't afford to have me go bankrupt, right? It's you that has the ultimate problem in that sitution that is every bit as big as mine.
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    Re: Israel Plans Iran Strike; Citizens Say Government Serious [W:52]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    israeli officials are pounding the war drums, the question being when - not whether - it will trespass iran's sovereign territory and dismantle its infrastructure, and you cite iran as being the threat
    Because Iran is a threat, and only fools believe it is not.
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