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    Re: Julian Assange will be granted asylum, says official

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    People are not jumping on a whistleblower, people are jumping on some one who knowingly and willingly chose to blow a whistle in an illegal manner. That is a very large, very important distinction. If he had blown the whistle in the legal manner, he would not be in prison.
    Tell me, what is the legal manner to expose confidential information that implicates the government in things it shouldn't be doing? I'm pretty sure there isn't one.
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    Re: Julian Assange will be granted asylum, says official

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Tell me, what is the legal manner to expose confidential information that implicates the government in things it shouldn't be doing? I'm pretty sure there isn't one.
    You would be wrong: Reprisal (Military Whistleblower Protection)

    The Military Whistleblower Protection Act, Title 10 U.S.C. 1034, as amended, prohibits interference with a military member’s right to make protected communications to members of Congress; Inspectors General; members of DoD audit, inspection, investigation or law enforcement organizations; and other persons or organizations (including the chain of command) designated by regulation or administrative procedures. A protected communication is any lawful communication to a Member of Congress or an IG, as well as any communication made to a person or organization designated under competent regulations to receive such communications, which a member of the Armed Services reasonably believes reports a violation of law or regulation (including sexual harassment, unlawful discrimination, mismanagement, a gross waste of funds or other resources, abuse of authority, or a substantial or specific danger to public health or safety.
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    Re: Julian Assange will be granted asylum, says official

    So, in order to expose activities by the government, one must go through government approved channels. You don't see a contradiction there? That law says, essentially "lawful communication is whatever communication we approve of." That's a pretty clear overreach of power.
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    Re: Julian Assange will be granted asylum, says official

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    So, in order to expose activities by the government, one must go through government approved channels. You don't see a contradiction there? That law says, essentially "lawful communication is whatever communication we approve of." That's a pretty clear overreach of power.
    There are practical issues at work. Basically, if you don't have to go through the government, then people outside of government make the call on what secrets the government can keep, which is also a contradiction, and one potentially dangerous to national security and diplomacy. However, contrary to your claim, there is a procedure in place for those who act as whistleblowers. Not following those procedures causes you to be subject to penalties under the law, which is as it should be.

    Manning is not a hero. He is some one who worked to the detriment of his country by breaking the laws not just of those countries, but that he swore to defend. He is not a victim. If you do the crime, you cannot complain about doing the time.

    Edit: and you misunderstand "protected communication". What it means is that if you communicate with the listed people or organizations as part of your whistleblowing, those communications cannot be used against you.
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    Re: Julian Assange will be granted asylum, says official

    Apparently the widespread love being shown to the Australian rapist is not shared by the people of Sweden. But then they've always been right wing lapdogs of the United States, as proven by their membership in Nato....uh.....there numerous military alliances with the U.Show they joined with us to defeat the scourge of Nazism......uh....there must be something.....

    Assange asylum seen as travesty of justice in Sweden - Yahoo! News
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    Re: Julian Assange will be granted asylum, says official

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Apparently the widespread love being shown to the Australian rapist is not shared by the people of Sweden. But then they've always been right wing lapdogs of the United States, as proven by their membership in Nato....uh.....there numerous military alliances with the U.Show they joined with us to defeat the scourge of Nazism......uh....there must be something.....

    Assange asylum seen as travesty of justice in Sweden - Yahoo! News
    Actually Sweden has a right wing government who would like to get closer with the United States.

    But also remember that this isn't really a right or left wing issue. This issue creates a division between those who trust the government and those who don't. The Swedish trust for their own government is very high.

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    Re: Julian Assange will be granted asylum, says official

    Which hardly explains Swedish public opinion or the position of the Swedish media. Those who oppose the extradition of Assange to Sweden are essentially saying they don't trust the Swedish government or the Swedish legal system. No wonder they are pissed.
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    Re: Julian Assange will be granted asylum, says official

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Which hardly explains Swedish public opinion or the position of the Swedish media. Those who oppose the extradition of Assange to Sweden are essentially saying they don't trust the Swedish government or the Swedish legal system. No wonder they are pissed.
    You just said it. They are pissed because Assange supporters don't trust the Swedish government or the Swedish legal system. In Sweden they perceive their government as infallible. So the right end up sympathizing with the United States instead. Actually the left is quite uncertain about what they are going to believe due to their hatred towards the United States.

    However, I am not Swedish. I have no reason to trust the Swedish government, there are plenty of past mistakes such as their support for Hitler in the beginning, the eugenic sterilization and the paedophilia scandal among politicians in Sweden. Neither is taught in public schools in Sweden, because it would reduce the trust of the government. And there are ongoing problems such as their out of control immigration and rising crime. A lot of people don't know that either.

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    Re: Julian Assange will be granted asylum, says official

    Tell you what, though. Given a choice between living in Sweden and trusting my life to the Swedish legal system or living in Ecuador and trusting my life to the Ecuadoran legal system, I know which one I'd pick. Of course I haven't raped anybody, either.

    And if you want to read something really interesting, read about the humanitarian President of Ecuador and his brutal crackdown on freedom of the press in his own country.

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/ameri...-press-ecuador

    The far left is apparently quite selective about the outrages it condemns.
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    Re: Julian Assange will be granted asylum, says official

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Tell you what, though. Given a choice between living in Sweden and trusting my life to the Swedish legal system or living in Ecuador and trusting my life to the Ecuadoran legal system, I know which one I'd pick. Of course I haven't raped anybody, either.
    I actually trust neither.

    The reason I support the decision is not because I have any faith in the Ecuadorian legal system, but because I don't trust the Swedes to do what I believe is the right thing. That is to not send him to the United States, but still put him on trial for the rape case.

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