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    Re: Fareed Zakaria Suspended For Plagiarism: Apologizes For 'Terrible Mistake'

    I really don't see how it matters if the overall idea made it to more people.
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    Re: Fareed Zakaria Suspended For Plagiarism: Apologizes For 'Terrible Mistake'

    Its funny how this is seen as a cardinal sin, but planting lies and twisting facts and so on is not.....
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    Re: Fareed Zakaria Suspended For Plagiarism: Apologizes For 'Terrible Mistake'

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Its funny how this is seen as a cardinal sin, but planting lies and twisting facts and so on is not.....
    It's why a lot of professional journalists today really look down on our cable news channels and view them as unprofessional, and they essentially have become merely newstainment organizations.
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    Re: Fareed Zakaria Suspended For Plagiarism: Apologizes For 'Terrible Mistake'

    As much as I respect and admire Zakaria's books and insights, he should be severely punished for this act of literary theft. Apparently he's pushed the ethical envelope on this before as noted in the OP link:

    This is not the first time Zakaria has come under ethical fire. Columnist Jeffrey Goldberg accused him of lifting quotes without attribution in 2009. He also caused controversy for his series of off-the-record conversations with President Obama, though he said they were no different than those the president held with any other journalist.

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    Re: Fareed Zakaria Suspended For Plagiarism: Apologizes For 'Terrible Mistake'

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    When I was doing my website thing every so often a bigger site such as gamespot owned by CBS or ign owned by news corporation would quote info I dug up without sourcing. It was annoying and flattering at the same time. In other businesses people steal all the time other wise you guys wouldnt have your android phones or windows computers. So I'm indifferent on it.
    It's pretty much common practice for mainstream media to lift material from local media, blogs and press releases without reference or checking the facts. You don't think they fill 24-hour TV schedules, pages and pages on websites and print media with their own work do you? It seems like this guy's mistake was lifting from another mainstream source and he was unlucky enough to be picked up on it.

    I'm most certainly not indifferent about it but I think it's a world-wide industry issue, not an individual one. Try to do anything about it though and you get a "freedom of the press" to the face.
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    Re: Fareed Zakaria Suspended For Plagiarism: Apologizes For 'Terrible Mistake'

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    It's pretty much common practice for mainstream media to lift material from local media, blogs and press releases without reference or checking the facts. You don't think they fill 24-hour TV schedules, pages and pages on websites and print media with their own work do you? It seems like this guy's mistake was lifting from another mainstream source and he was unlucky enough to be picked up on it.

    I'm most certainly not indifferent about it but I think it's a world-wide industry issue, not an individual one. Try to do anything about it though and you get a "freedom of the press" to the face.
    Well to get to my original point, look at the Samsung vs Apple case. It's obvious Samsung borrows liberally from Apple but in the end their great ideas make it to far more people. Litigation and accusing others of stealing ideas as if though others may not have been able to conjure up similar ideas has its merits, but as consumers we lose if they are locked into the originators domain. Could you imagine if Ford was never able to mass produce automobiles or if
    Toyota wasn't able to borrow ideas from Ford? We would live in a very closed and limited world.
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    Re: Fareed Zakaria Suspended For Plagiarism: Apologizes For 'Terrible Mistake'

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Well to get to my original point, look at the Samsung vs Apple case. It's obvious Samsung borrows liberally from Apple but in the end their great ideas make it to far more people. Litigation and accusing others of stealing ideas as if though others may not have been able to conjure up similar ideas has its merits, but as consumers we lose if they are locked into the originators domain. Could you imagine if Ford was never able to mass produce automobiles or if
    Toyota wasn't able to borrow ideas from Ford? We would live in a very closed and limited world.
    In terms of plagiarism, it's generally OK if you just borrow someone else's ideas (although depending how much you borrow them, it's an ethical gray area as to whether you need to cite them). But Zakaria seems to have actually tried to pass someone else's words as his own.
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    Re: Fareed Zakaria Suspended For Plagiarism: Apologizes For 'Terrible Mistake'

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Plagiarism isn't the same thing as theft - but it's a HUGE deal to anyone in the writing profession, no matter whether your a journalist or a scholar or a novelist. Passing off someone else's work as your own is a serious breach of ethics.
    I'll have to disagree that it's not the same as theft, because to me, it is theft of intellectual property. I've been plagiarized before in college, and I was infuriated by it. They got all the credit, all the praise, and advanced due to it, until an "anonymous tip" dropped the hammer on him. It was just a college thing then, but had this happened in a professional environment, he would have stolen my job by stealing my work. For that, I would have had his hands broken with a 5 lb sledge. I have absolutely no sympathy for plagiarists.
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    Re: Fareed Zakaria Suspended For Plagiarism: Apologizes For 'Terrible Mistake'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    In terms of plagiarism, it's generally OK if you just borrow someone else's ideas (although depending how much you borrow them, it's an ethical gray area as to whether you need to cite them). But Zakaria seems to have actually tried to pass someone else's words as his own.
    I'm not saying he doesn't need to be punished but the only career he is hurting is his own. No harm no foul. I don't think the guy needs to be fired. Just to give another example from my experience, I gave a guy a copy of guitar hero to review and as I would read others reviews of the bigger titles I noticed he lifted literally word for word parts out of the included press release and another's review. I took the review down that night and had him correct it and post it the next day or I wouldn't give him review copies anymore. Simple solution.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Fareed Zakaria Suspended For Plagiarism: Apologizes For 'Terrible Mistake'

    They have to fire him. It would be like hiring a thief to be a bank guard. You would always suspect, never know, and never trust. All it took on his part was a simple reference. how can I read any of "his" work again? The job of a journalist is to deliver truth and facts. Do YOU trust a proven dishonest person for that task?
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