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    Texas farmer sows seeds of doubt over Keystone pipeline

    Texas farmer sows seeds of doubt over Keystone pipeline

    SUMNER, TEXAS—The line across Julia Trigg Crawford’s family farm is practically nothing — a rivet in a skyscraper, a pebble on the highway, just four football fields out of the 2,736 kilometres that would constitute the Keystone XL pipeline.

    But as the 6-foot former basketball player spreads her arms marking the planned route across her field of coastal grass, she presents a formidable obstacle for pipeline companies.

    “The line in the sand for my family is that we don’t believe a foreign company building a pipeline to put money in their pockets can take a Texan’s land,” Crawford said. “If you’re going to take it, you’re going to have to prove you can.”
    This article does a good job of presenting some of the conflicts to be found in the Keystone XL pipeline story. It also points out that far too often individuals often have little power when engaging in legal fights with large corporations.

    For those who think of Texas as a fine symbol for the modern American right's economic ideas - take the time to read the article before commenting.

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    In October, (Crawford) received legal notice that her property had been condemned and the easement awarded to TransCanada.

    There had been a hearing before a judge, but in Texas, landowners aren’t invited.
    and some see Texas as a fine example of the modern free market?
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Texas farmer sows seeds of doubt over Keystone pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    This article does a good job of presenting some of the conflicts to be found in the Keystone XL pipeline story. It also points out that far too often individuals often have little power when engaging in legal fights with large corporations.

    For those who think of Texas as a fine symbol for the modern American right's economic ideas - take the time to read the article before commenting.

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    and some see Texas as a fine example of the modern free market?
    So much for the big government thing...eh?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Texas farmer sows seeds of doubt over Keystone pipeline

    I have to wonder why are we piping oil to Texas to be refined why can't we refine it here?
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    Re: Texas farmer sows seeds of doubt over Keystone pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    I have to wonder why are we piping oil to Texas to be refined why can't we refine it here?
    Because the greenie-weenies don't want anymore refineries to be built.
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    Re: Texas farmer sows seeds of doubt over Keystone pipeline

    Greenie-Weenies must have been in charge for over 30 years.


    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because the greenie-weenies don't want anymore refineries to be built.

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    Re: Texas farmer sows seeds of doubt over Keystone pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because the greenie-weenies don't want anymore refineries to be built.
    Bzzzt! Wrong. The plan is to pipe Canadian oil to Texas where much of it will be put into tankers and shipped to other countries.


    However - that is not the point of the OP. Rather it is to bring to Americans' attention the reality of corporate control over governance in this nation.
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    Re: Texas farmer sows seeds of doubt over Keystone pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    This article does a good job of presenting some of the conflicts to be found in the Keystone XL pipeline story. It also points out that far too often individuals often have little power when engaging in legal fights with large corporations.

    For those who think of Texas as a fine symbol for the modern American right's economic ideas - take the time to read the article before commenting.

    For example
    and some see Texas as a fine example of the modern free market?
    The only reason I am against the keystone pipeline is because of the fact no privately owned company should be allowed to use eminent domain,especially a foreign owned company.If a company wants that property then they pay what the owner wants or find someone who will sell.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Texas farmer sows seeds of doubt over Keystone pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Bzzzt! Wrong. The plan is to pipe Canadian oil to Texas where much of it will be put into tankers and shipped to other countries.


    However - that is not the point of the OP. Rather it is to bring to Americans' attention the reality of corporate control over governance in this nation.
    BZZZT, the answer is to limit government---remember Kelo? We told you so.

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    Re: Texas farmer sows seeds of doubt over Keystone pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    BZZZT, the answer is to limit government---remember Kelo? We told you so.

    So you think "limiting government" will prevent corporations from doing what is happening with the Keystone pipeline? How can you be an advocate of "Conservative" principles, which I believe supports personal control over one's private property, and at the same time think what is happening in Texas wouldn't take place all across the nation if your particular concept of "limited government" were to become the system?


    This is actually a case of limited government, which you seem to be advocating, stepping back and allowing a corporation to seize access to private property. It has little relationship to Kelo v. New London Notice that defendant's name - it was a city, a government. In Texas, the government is saying "Hey, you're a big contributor, an oil company, do what you want - got nothin' to do with us!".


    Are you really thinking that those with the cash get to do what they want to? That would be the result of "limited government"
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    Re: Texas farmer sows seeds of doubt over Keystone pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Texas farmer sows seeds of doubt over Keystone pipeline

    SUMNER, TEXAS—The line across Julia Trigg Crawford’s family farm is practically nothing — a rivet in a skyscraper, a pebble on the highway, just four football fields out of the 2,736 kilometres that would constitute the Keystone XL pipeline.

    But as the 6-foot former basketball player spreads her arms marking the planned route across her field of coastal grass, she presents a formidable obstacle for pipeline companies.

    “The line in the sand for my family is that we don’t believe a foreign company building a pipeline to put money in their pockets can take a Texan’s land,” Crawford said. “If you’re going to take it, you’re going to have to prove you can.”
    This article does a good job of presenting some of the conflicts to be found in the Keystone XL pipeline story. It also points out that far too often individuals often have little power when engaging in legal fights with large corporations.

    For those who think of Texas as a fine symbol for the modern American right's economic ideas - take the time to read the article before commenting.

    For example

    In October, (Crawford) received legal notice that her property had been condemned and the easement awarded to TransCanada.

    There had been a hearing before a judge, but in Texas, landowners aren’t invited.
    and some see Texas as a fine example of the modern free market?
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So much for the big government thing...eh?
    But it was your guys (Republicans) who pushed to get this pipeline approved. So much so that Spker Boehner went out of his way on several occasions since Demceber 2011 to purposely place reference to the Keystone XL pipeline in legislation as a carrot to force President Obama into approving its construction. Even after several people and legislators alike said it would require using imminent domain to get this project moving in some areas, those who wanted this pipeline approved just it off as if to say, "Oh, well...deal with it". Now that a landowner from the great state of Texas is fighting to keep her land, supporters of the pipeline not only seem to be saying it's just one person/family but also seem to be willing to turn a blind eye to individual property rights all for the sake of oil exploration. This last part I find very ironic considering so many Republicans claim to be for individual liberty, property rights and states rights.

    You guys knew this kind of fight was coming and now that it's here suddenly you want to point the finger at "big government" to avoid blame.
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 08-09-12 at 11:04 PM.

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