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Texas farmer sows seeds of doubt over Keystone pipeline

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Texas farmer sows seeds of doubt over Keystone pipeline

SUMNER, TEXAS—The line across Julia Trigg Crawford’s family farm is practically nothing — a rivet in a skyscraper, a pebble on the highway, just four football fields out of the 2,736 kilometres that would constitute the Keystone XL pipeline.

But as the 6-foot former basketball player spreads her arms marking the planned route across her field of coastal grass, she presents a formidable obstacle for pipeline companies.

“The line in the sand for my family is that we don’t believe a foreign company building a pipeline to put money in their pockets can take a Texan’s land,” Crawford said. “If you’re going to take it, you’re going to have to prove you can.”
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This article does a good job of presenting some of the conflicts to be found in the Keystone XL pipeline story. It also points out that far too often individuals often have little power when engaging in legal fights with large corporations.

For those who think of Texas as a fine symbol for the modern American right's economic ideas - take the time to read the article before commenting.

For example
In October, (Crawford) received legal notice that her property had been condemned and the easement awarded to TransCanada.

There had been a hearing before a judge, but in Texas, landowners aren’t invited.
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and some see Texas as a fine example of the modern free market?
 
Somerville said:
This article does a good job of presenting some of the conflicts to be found in the Keystone XL pipeline story. It also points out that far too often individuals often have little power when engaging in legal fights with large corporations.

For those who think of Texas as a fine symbol for the modern American right's economic ideas - take the time to read the article before commenting.

For example
and some see Texas as a fine example of the modern free market?
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So much for the big government thing...eh?
 
I have to wonder why are we piping oil to Texas to be refined why can't we refine it here?
 
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0bserver92 said:
I have to wonder why are we piping oil to Texas to be refined why can't we refine it here?
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Because the greenie-weenies don't want anymore refineries to be built.
 
Greenie-Weenies must have been in charge for over 30 years.


apdst said:
Because the greenie-weenies don't want anymore refineries to be built.
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apdst said:
Because the greenie-weenies don't want anymore refineries to be built.
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Bzzzt! Wrong. The plan is to pipe Canadian oil to Texas where much of it will be put into tankers and shipped to other countries.


However - that is not the point of the OP. Rather it is to bring to Americans' attention the reality of corporate control over governance in this nation.
 
Somerville said:
This article does a good job of presenting some of the conflicts to be found in the Keystone XL pipeline story. It also points out that far too often individuals often have little power when engaging in legal fights with large corporations.

For those who think of Texas as a fine symbol for the modern American right's economic ideas - take the time to read the article before commenting.

For example
and some see Texas as a fine example of the modern free market?
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The only reason I am against the keystone pipeline is because of the fact no privately owned company should be allowed to use eminent domain,especially a foreign owned company.If a company wants that property then they pay what the owner wants or find someone who will sell.
 
Somerville said:
Bzzzt! Wrong. The plan is to pipe Canadian oil to Texas where much of it will be put into tankers and shipped to other countries.


However - that is not the point of the OP. Rather it is to bring to Americans' attention the reality of corporate control over governance in this nation.
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BZZZT, the answer is to limit government---remember Kelo? We told you so.
 
OpportunityCost said:
BZZZT, the answer is to limit government---remember Kelo? We told you so.
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So you think "limiting government" will prevent corporations from doing what is happening with the Keystone pipeline? How can you be an advocate of "Conservative" principles, which I believe supports personal control over one's private property, and at the same time think what is happening in Texas wouldn't take place all across the nation if your particular concept of "limited government" were to become the system?


This is actually a case of limited government, which you seem to be advocating, stepping back and allowing a corporation to seize access to private property. It has little relationship to Kelo v. New London Notice that defendant's name - it was a city, a government. In Texas, the government is saying "Hey, you're a big contributor, an oil company, do what you want - got nothin' to do with us!".


Are you really thinking that those with the cash get to do what they want to? That would be the result of "limited government"
 
Somerville said:
Texas farmer sows seeds of doubt over Keystone pipeline

SUMNER, TEXAS—The line across Julia Trigg Crawford’s family farm is practically nothing — a rivet in a skyscraper, a pebble on the highway, just four football fields out of the 2,736 kilometres that would constitute the Keystone XL pipeline.

But as the 6-foot former basketball player spreads her arms marking the planned route across her field of coastal grass, she presents a formidable obstacle for pipeline companies.

“The line in the sand for my family is that we don’t believe a foreign company building a pipeline to put money in their pockets can take a Texan’s land,” Crawford said. “If you’re going to take it, you’re going to have to prove you can.”
Click to expand...
This article does a good job of presenting some of the conflicts to be found in the Keystone XL pipeline story. It also points out that far too often individuals often have little power when engaging in legal fights with large corporations.

For those who think of Texas as a fine symbol for the modern American right's economic ideas - take the time to read the article before commenting.

For example

In October, (Crawford) received legal notice that her property had been condemned and the easement awarded to TransCanada.

There had been a hearing before a judge, but in Texas, landowners aren’t invited.
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and some see Texas as a fine example of the modern free market?
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apdst said:
So much for the big government thing...eh?
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But it was your guys (Republicans) who pushed to get this pipeline approved. So much so that Spker Boehner went out of his way on several occasions since Demceber 2011 to purposely place reference to the Keystone XL pipeline in legislation as a carrot to force President Obama into approving its construction. Even after several people and legislators alike said it would require using imminent domain to get this project moving in some areas, those who wanted this pipeline approved just :shrug: it off as if to say, "Oh, well...deal with it". Now that a landowner from the great state of Texas is fighting to keep her land, supporters of the pipeline not only seem to be saying it's just one person/family but also seem to be willing to turn a blind eye to individual property rights all for the sake of oil exploration. This last part I find very ironic considering so many Republicans claim to be for individual liberty, property rights and states rights.

You guys knew this kind of fight was coming and now that it's here suddenly you want to point the finger at "big government" to avoid blame. :roll:
 
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OpportunityCost said:
BZZZT, the answer is to limit government---remember Kelo? We told you so.
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Banning privately owned companies from using eminent domain would not increase the size of government.
 
Somerville said:
Bzzzt! Wrong. The plan is to pipe Canadian oil to Texas where much of it will be put into tankers and shipped to other countries.


However - that is not the point of the OP. Rather it is to bring to Americans' attention the reality of corporate control over governance in this nation.
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Versus something much worse.....Obama leftwing control.
 
Somerville said:
Bzzzt! Wrong. The plan is to pipe Canadian oil to Texas where much of it will be put into tankers and shipped to other countries.


However - that is not the point of the OP. Rather it is to bring to Americans' attention the reality of corporate control over governance in this nation.
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Tar Sands oil is heavy gooey stuff, most refineries can't handle it. So the plan is to refine it here in the USA and sell the gasoline to South America. Alot of Countries don't want the increased cancer incidence that refinery's bring so the are buying gasoline ready to go. We are already exporting 400,000 + barrels a day of refined gasoline.
 
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iguanaman said:
Isn't that treason? Abetting a corporate takeover of the U.S. Govt.? Quick... check your Constitution.
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Better than a bunch of Socialists. Quick check our Constitution. :roll:
 
American said:
Better than a bunch of Socialists. Quick check our Constitution. :roll:
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Yea you also might wanna check it as well, because nothing is unconstitutional about this...
 
TransCanada doesn't need that land, they want it. They can build around it. If it were my property, and those ****ers started building on it after I repeatedly said no, they'd find themselves talking to Mr. Remington. You don't **** with a persons private land, especially after they tell you to stay the hell out.
 
Where were you ladies when BMW moved into SC, a decade ago, or so? Fine example of a private company, forcing private land owners to sell their property, via government use of inimenent domain...but no worries, right? Because it was for the "greater good".


You guys really don't get it, do you? This is nothing new. This chit has been going on for YEARS. This is nothing more than business as usual. Get used to it, or DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
 
Surtr said:
TransCanada doesn't need that land, they want it. They can build around it. If it were my property, and those ****ers started building on it after I repeatedly said no, they'd find themselves talking to Mr. Remington. You don't **** with a persons private land, especially after they tell you to stay the hell out.
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That's a FANTASTIC way to get either killed, or imprisoned for life.


Hope either of those options work out for you.
 
KevinKohler said:
That's a FANTASTIC way to get either killed, or imprisoned for life.


Hope either of those options work out for you.
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You take my land, and I take your head. Simple as that, though with a 30-06, there isn't going to be much of a head left to take.
 
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Surtr said:
You take my land, and I take your head. Simple as that.
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And when the FBI comes to question you about you arms stockpile, lol?

Listen, dude, that rhetoric sounds GREAT, but has no practical application. Corporations have the full weight and force of the US government behind them, to take your land, in instances like these. What you gonna do? Try to sue the very people who wrote the laws that allow them to do such? And who can use the money they take from you in taxes to fund their defense of your suit? Or are you gonna go hog wild, and shoot at them?

You either end up in jail, or dead, my friend. Or you sell your land, lol.
 
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