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School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens[W:150]

Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

Chiefgator said:
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For this e saying that this is a violation of the right to privacy of the students and it violates Amendment IV... I believe the court will look to VERNONIA v ACTON for precedence. (I did a paper on it a few years back, I am not a lawyer)

In that case it was ruled that students have a reduced right to privacy. Granted it was about drug testing, but it will be used.

NEW JERSEY v T.L.O found that "special needs" exist in public schools when dealing w children and "probable cause". That may come into play as well.
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Gruenke v. Seip ruled that a school coach requiring a pregnancy test for an athlete is a 4th amendment violation. Given the much greater importance of attending school than playing on sports team, the precedent would even stronger in this case.
 
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rathi said:
Gruenke v. Seip ruled that a school coach requiring a pregnancy test for an athlete is a 4th amendment violation. Given the much greater importance of attending school than playing on sports team, the precedent would even stronger in this case.
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Thanx. I had not heard of that one. That surprises me. It would seem that the TLO case that said the Special Needs to keep the children safe would have applied. Like I said, I am not a lawyer, so I don't keep up on these things.
 
Phys251 said:
Please tell me that was sarcasm.
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While I don't believe pregnancy tests are necessary, the parent's focus should be entirely on the child. Both the mother and the father should be removed from school, and the father should be required to get a job to support the child. One does not simply pop out a baby and everything is the same as it ever was.
 
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Hicup said:
Students lose many constitutional rights in public schools, one that comes to mind is freedom of speech. I believe the rationale is disruptive. I imagine a teenager walking around with a big fat belly would be disruptive, or at least used as a rationale for what constitutes disruption.

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The New York Times Upfront | The news magazine for high school

Tinker v. Des Moines Independent School District (1969)
Issue: Freedom of Speech at School
Bottom Line: You Have the Right To Express Yourself—Up to a Point

Background
In December 1965, John and Mary Beth Tinker and their friend Chris Eckhardt wore black armbands to school in Des Moines, Iowa, to protest the war in Vietnam. School officials told them to remove the armbands, and when they refused, they were suspended (John, 15, from North High; Mary Beth, 13, from Warren Harding Junior High; and Chris, 16, from Roosevelt High). With their parents, they sued the school district, claiming a violation of their First Amendment right of freedom of speech.

Ruling
The Supreme Court sided with the students. Students and teachers don't "shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate," the Court said.

The Court did not, however, grant students an unlimited right to self-expression. It said First Amendment guarantees must be balanced against a school's need to keep order: As long as an act of expression doesn't disrupt classwork or school activities or invade the rights of others, it's acceptable. Regarding the students in this case, "their deviation consisted only in wearing on their sleeve a band of black cloth," the Court said. "They caused discussion outside of the classrooms, but no interference with work and no disorder."
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Misterveritis said:
Maybe the policy is for the benefit of all of the other students.
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How is it a benefit when it only punishes the females? This is the equivalent of giving the male involved in the preganancy a "high-five" because he isn't punished in the least by the school. I guess females are just secondary people to you huh?

I think the acceptable action in this case to make it equal would be to kick out the male involved as well.
 
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Caine said:
The statistic is so low, it is safe to assume that whatever girl was being mentioned knew all the guys she slept with, at least if not by First Middle and Last name, then at least by his thug "jump-up" name (Itz yo baby, Biggy T!) And that is why, specifically, your outrage over the 1% chance that she was legitimately raped by someone she didn't know is highly over the top.



Its time to stop acting like asking woman to be responsible is sexism.
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Actualy 85% of college age rape victims know their assailants.
Which means about 15% of college age rape victims are raped by strangers.

Stats for high school age victims might be higher.

http://www.campusoutreachservices.com/koestner/Myth-Fact-HS.pdf
 
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minnie616 said:
Actualy 85% of college age rape victims know their assailants.
Which means about 15% of college age rape victims are raped by strangers.

Stats for high school age victims might be higher.

http://www.campusoutreachservices.com/koestner/Myth-Fact-HS.pdf
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Seeing rape investigations personally, I can't really trust any statistics based upon initial reports of rape.
 
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TheNextEra said:
How is it a benefit when it only punishes the females? This is the equivalent of giving the male involved in the preganancy a "high-five" because he isn't punished in the least by the school. I guess females are just secondary people to you huh?

I think the acceptable action in this case to make it equal would be to kick out the male involved as well.
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But boys will be boys. It's the girls' whose bodies we have to regulate. /snark

Kinda like how the Right went absolutely bonkers when Texas made all their young girls get immunized against HPV, but the reaction to the boys' getting the very same vaccine was so muted that many people probably don't even know that it happened.

Glad to see the ACLU take a stand against this blatant misogyny. May this school be punished, HARD.
 
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TheNextEra said:
How is it a benefit when it only punishes the females? This is the equivalent of giving the male involved in the preganancy a "high-five" because he isn't punished in the least by the school. I guess females are just secondary people to you huh?

I think the acceptable action in this case to make it equal would be to kick out the male involved as well.
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I believe the intention is to keep a learning environment for everybody who isn't a pregnant teen a learning environment.

I think about sex essentially nonstop. Okay. Since I am close to sixty now maybe I have slowed down a bit. I think about sex 5-8 times per minute. Young, fecund, pregnant teens would distract me.
 
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Misterveritis said:
I believe the intention is to keep a learning environment for everybody who isn't a pregnant teen a learning environment.

I think about sex essentially nonstop. Okay. Since I am close to sixty now maybe I have slowed down a bit. I think about sex 5-8 times per minute. Young, fecund, pregnant teens would distract me.
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I was unaware that high schools were populated by depraved middle aged fetishists, and even if they were, its entirely the fault of the distracted losers.
 
Kandahar said:
School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens | Fox News
US School Forces Pregnancy Tests On Girls, Excluding Those Who Are Pregnant Or Refuse
Get Tested Or Get Out: School Forces Pregnancy Tests on Girls, Kicks out Students Who Refuse or are Pregnant

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Wow, this is terrible. It's a blatant violation of Title IX and it's gender discrimination, pure and simple. And it's made worse by the fact that this is a PUBLIC charter school in Louisiana.
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Why, I thought the left would be pleased; more opportunities for abortions. All the girls found to be pregnant can now get mandatory abortions, right? Isn't that right?
 
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rathi said:
I was unaware that high schools were populated by depraved middle aged fetishists, and even if they were, its entirely the fault of the distracted losers.
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It is entirely possible you are unaware of a great deal more. If I, at age 59, think of sex more often than not how much more likely is it that those who are bursting with new life and feel the tug of its passions would do any less?
 
American said:
Why, I thought the left would be pleased; more opportunities for abortions. All the girls found to be pregnant can now get mandatory abortions, right? Isn't that right?
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Actually, this fiasco helps to raise the question as to who really wants to lower the number of abortions. :)
 
Phys251 said:
Actually, this fiasco helps to raise the question as to who really wants to lower the number of abortions. :)
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Exactly. I brought that up earlier and was accused of being "dishonest" and "not thinking objectively" about it. I highly doubt that most of the people defending this school are taking some principled stand because they gave it careful thought and concluded that the school's policy would help reduce abortions. Many of them just want to punish women who act too slutty, whether it's through tough abortion laws or discriminatory educational policies. And sadly, I think that's the mindset behind a not-insigificant number of anti-abortion advocates in general.
 
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Misterveritis said:
I believe the intention is to keep a learning environment for everybody who isn't a pregnant teen a learning environment.
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So what's wrong with a pregnant teen learning that you have a problem with? Are you the type that thinks women belong in the kitchen only?
 
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Misterveritis said:
It is entirely possible you are unaware of a great deal more. If I, at age 59, think of sex more often than not how much more likely is it that those who are bursting with new life and feel the tug of its passions would do any less?
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So in your eyes, if a boy gets a girl pregnant, high five em and keep in class. However, if a female gets pregnant, kick the bitch out right?

Lovely sexist thinking there.
 
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Misterveritis said:
It is entirely possible you are unaware of a great deal more. If I, at age 59, think of sex more often than not how much more likely is it that those who are bursting with new life and feel the tug of its passions would do any less?
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It's exactly that same reasoning that religious fundamentalists use to keep women covered from head to toe, and keep them out of school entirely, pregnant or otherwise. If you're that turned on by pregnant teenagers, I'm sure there are plenty of fetish websites out there for you. But that isn't a good enough reason to deny them an education.
 
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TheNextEra said:
So what's wrong with a pregnant teen learning that you have a problem with? Are you the type that thinks women belong in the kitchen only?
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No problem at all. You are not paying attention. This is not about me. It is about creating an environment conducive to learning. If the girl wants to breed let her attend any other government-run school.
 
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Kandahar said:
It's exactly that same reasoning that religious fundamentalists use to keep women covered from head to toe, and keep them out of school entirely, pregnant or otherwise. If you're that turned on by pregnant teenagers, I'm sure there are plenty of fetish websites out there for you. But that isn't a good enough reason to deny them an education.
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Really? Links please!

There really isn't much point to attempting a conversation with one whose sole purpose is to stop discourse.
 
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vendur said:
You are forgetting about the real students in question, the 99.9% who aren't pregnant.
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Why would a pregnant girl affect their achievement.

They are the ones who are the metric for achievement.
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Every student is to be considered in their aim for achievement.

You obviously know jack **** about charter schools, and your grammar knowledge doesn't seem much better: students' = possessive.
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Apparently I know more than you, jack, because I wasn't using the plural, but the singular. So, in your face, grammarless!



Unfortunately, a lot of people like to talk out their ass while totally ignorant of issue they are pontificating on.
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I'm so glad you are admitting to it.

Charter schools are not public schools, nor are they bound by the same rules public schools are. Attendance of a charter school is neither obligatory nor a right. If this was a run-of-the-mill public school you and all the pants on fie lefties would have a point.But they don't.
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Ha,ha, I love it when a poster declares himself superior in his knowledge about a subject and then proceeds to prove his ignorance on the subject. As usual Republicans/conservatives try to act knowledgeable on every subject but just end up showing their racist ass. And, as far as your snarky remark that lefties don't have a point, FYI, Louisiana has changed their policy about kicking pregnant girls out of class.

Hope you enjoy wiping the egg of your face!

Introduction
A charter school is a public school created through a charter with the state, a school district, or some other public entity. State charter school statutes typically relieve charter schools of state and local regulations so the schools are free to innovate and experiment. In exchange, charter schools agree that renewal of their charters will be contingent on their success in improving student academic achievement. Depending on state law, charter schools may be subject to the control of traditional school boards or granted independence from local school authority.
Schools Without Rules? Charter Schools, Federal Disability Law, and the Paradoxes of Deregulation | National Center on Accessible Instructional Materials
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Charter schools are primary or secondary schools that receive public money
While charter schools provide an alternative to other public schools, they are part of the public education system
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What are charter schools?

Charter schools are public schools. They are tuition-free and open to any student who wishes to attend. Charter schools allow parents, organizations, or community groups to restore, reinvent, and reenergize our public school system. Charter schools are designed, tailored, and governed by each local community, rather than by a central bureaucracy.
http://www.calcharters.org/understanding/faqs/
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CHAPTER 5. CHARTER SCHOOLS§ 501. Legislative intent.

The purpose of this chapter is to create an alternative to traditional public schools operated by school districts and improve public education overall by establishing a system of independent "charter" schools throughout the State.To that end, this chapter offers members of the community a charter to organize and run independent public schools, free of most state and school district rules and regulations governing public education, as long as they meet the requirements of this chapter, and particularly the obligation to meet measurable standards of student performance. Schools established under this chapter shall be known as "charter schools."CHAPTER 5. CHARTER SCHOOLS
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Title IX, Education Amendments of 1972
(Title 20 U.S.C. Sections 1681-1688)
Section 1681. Sex(a) Prohibition against discrimination; exceptions. No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance, except that:
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NEW ORLEANS -- A Louisiana charter school is changing a policy that kicked pregnant students out of class and required them to be home-schooled, the school's board chairman said Wednesday.
No one at Delhi Charter School in rural northeast Louisiana realized there was anything wrong with the policy until the American Civil Liberties Union's state chapter threatened to sue, said chairman Albert Christman. The policy has gotten "everybody up in a roar," he said.
Delhi Charter School In Louisiana Changing Policy That Requires Pregnancy Tests
 
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Misterveritis said:
No problem at all. You are not paying attention. This is not about me. It is about creating an environment conducive to learning. If the girl wants to breed let her attend any other government-run school.
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So pregnant women can't learn? What does a pregnant woman do that disrupts the learning environment?
 
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TheNextEra said:
So pregnant women can't learn? What does a pregnant woman do that disrupts the learning environment?
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Are there any rules that are acceptable to you? Are you so unruly that order and discipline are irrelevant for you?
 
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Misterveritis said:
Are there any rules that are acceptable to you? Are you so unruly that order and discipline are irrelevant for you?
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You said that this is about "creating a conducive learning enviornment". So again I ask, what does a pregnant woman do that disrupts the learning environment.

As for rules, when there is a rule that punishes a female for being pregnant, but doesn't punish the male involved that is wrong. PERIOD.

You want those rules that high five the male and punish the female, that's on you and proves you support sexism. I wouldn't have a problem with it if they also kicked out the male involved.
 
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