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School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens[W:150]

Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

If a school allowed lesbians to use the peephole but banned you for the same behavior, it would be a title IX violation. That doesn't change the fact that discrimination based on pregnancy is most definitely a title IX violation.

I'm not seeing a Title IX violation and I'll explain why.

It says you can't discriminate based on sex. Nobody is doing that. Just because only girls can get pregnant doesn't mean its discrimination based on sex, that's just biology. This is based on a girls behavior. She will NEVER get kicked out of that school simply because she is a girl, she has to have participated in illegal behavior first. (17 is the AOC in Louisiana, so unless its only high school seniors getting pregnant, they're having sex illegally anyway and ANY child can be removed from school based on illegal behavior.)

I don't really see the point of this, but if the people signed a document saying they would abide by the rules and they don't like it, leave.
 
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If you don't want a woman working, there are plenty of other countries to go to.

Trust me, that is in the works, TNE. You would be amazed at how much bureaucracy and crap is involved with leaving this country on a permanent basis.
 
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Trust me, that is in the works, TNE. You would be amazed at how much bureaucracy and crap is involved with leaving this country on a permanent basis.
I have to ask... Which gender paradise are you considering?
 
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Please show me where there is a Constitutional Right to an education, Hatuey. Assuming this is a Private institution, they most definitely have the right to determine which students they allow to attend.

The constitutional right isn't to "an education".

The constitutional right is to equal protection under the law.

The school is singling out only one gender side of a two gender sided equation and punishing them for the act. That's gender discrimination.

That's not even touching on the point of a school being able to mandate kids take pregancy tests and the possible 4th amendment ramifications there.
 
Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

It says you can't discriminate based on sex. Nobody is doing that. Just because only girls can get pregnant doesn't mean its discrimination based on sex, that's just biology.

What is the issue being faught here?

Teenage sex? Teenage pregnancy? Both of those require a 2nd part to the equation, yet the punishment is only aimed at one side. It's not based on the "girls" behavior, it's based on the behavior of the "girl" and a "guy". Unless I've missed something, women don't spontaneously get pregnant asexually.

So the school is FORCING tests to check if the girl "engaged in illegal behavior" as y'ou're suggesting here, but is seemingly taking no such action what so ever to determine if their male students are also acting in illegal behavior.
 
Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

I have to ask... Which gender paradise are you considering?

Probably either Pakistan or Saudi Arabia.

The school is singling out only one gender side of a two gender sided equation and punishing them for the act. That's gender discrimination.

True. They should throw the father out as well.

That's not even touching on the point of a school being able to mandate kids take pregancy tests and the possible 4th amendment ramifications there.

Again, you have a point. It would be better to simply require the girls to provide proof of non-pregnancy on maybe a quarterly basis.
 
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The statistic is so low, it is safe to assume that whatever girl was being mentioned knew all the guys she slept with, at least if not by First Middle and Last name, then at least by his thug "jump-up" name (Itz yo baby, Biggy T!)

And of course, you will swear up and down that there is nothing remotely racist in that comment. :roll:

And that is why, specifically, your outrage over the 1% chance that she was legitimately raped by someone she didn't know is highly over the top.

Why does it matter if she knows the person anyway? The school's policy is to kick out anyone who is pregnant.

Its time to stop acting like asking woman to be responsible is sexism.

Expelling women from school for being pregnant *is* sexism. You can "ask her to be responsible" all you want, but you can't deny her an education. That's the kind of **** the Taliban do.
 
Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

I wish people would read more than just the headlines.

From one of the linked articles:

So, no one is being denied educaiton for getting knocked up. In some ways, the home study concept might actually be beneficial to a pregnant student.

Creating a separate program for pregnant mothers is fine if the student volunteers to participate. But the school cannot force the student to participate; that's a violation of Title IX.

I have some beef with the way this is set up but approve of the premise. The "random prego tests" should be thrown out right away. I would also add that the boy invovled should also be subject to the same type of consequence as the pregnant girl does. Harder to prove but could be done with a solid interview process.

Teen pregnancy should be discouraged.

Teen pregnancy has enough consequences as it is without assholes intentionally making it much harder by preventing the mother from going to school.
 
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Many of these charter schools are formed to counter the problems kids face at typical public schools. They are called Choice Schools for a reason. Students are selected, behavior commonly accepted in public schools are not tolerated at the schools. Their policies are much more strict and they require parent participation. They are required to achieve. They work very hard to overcome the commonly accepted 'norms' which make education and learning in many public schools impossible. They arent just working to overcome failing public schools but failing communities. They also have extraordinary graduation rates and their students are accepted into college on scholarships.

If you read their brochure, they state that the student is not kicked out of their program but they are offered in home study programs while they are pregnant. It MIGHT just be because they dont want the liability of a pregnant student in school, or, it MIGHT just be they dont the MTV babymomma mindset polluting their student body.

Oh...sure...all the hand wringers and panty wetters can get their way. They can shut down programs like this that are actually INVESTED and working for change (and not just ****ing winging and crying about how unfair life is). Those students could all be rolled back into the same kind of schools (or **** it...just put them back in the same schools period) that many of these families are desperately trying to escape from. Dont work to make things better for Gods sake...whatever you do.
 
Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

Please show me where there is a Constitutional Right to an education, Hatuey. Assuming this is a Private institution, they most definitely have the right to determine which students they allow to attend.

You must have missed the part in my very first post when I said that this is a CHARTER (i.e. public) school.
 
Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

I'm not seeing a Title IX violation and I'll explain why.

It says you can't discriminate based on sex. Nobody is doing that. Just because only girls can get pregnant doesn't mean its discrimination based on sex, that's just biology. This is based on a girls behavior.

If it has a disparate impact on women, then it's still gender discrimination. In any case, Title IX specifically outlaws discrimination based on pregnancy too.

§ 106.40 Marital or parental status.
(a) Status generally. A recipient shall not apply any rule concerning a student's actual or potential parental, family, or marital status which treats students differently on the basis of sex.

(b) Pregnancy and related conditions. (1) A recipient shall not discriminate against any student, or exclude any student from its education program or activity, including any class or extracurricular activity, on the basis of such student's pregnancy, childbirth, false pregnancy, termination of pregnancy or recovery therefrom, unless the student requests voluntarily to participate in a separate portion of the program or activity of the recipient.

(2) A recipient may require such a student to obtain the certification of a physician that the student is physically and emotionally able to continue participation so long as such a certification is required of all students for other physical or emotional conditions requiring the attention of a physician.

(3) A recipient which operates a portion of its education program or activity separately for pregnant students, admittance to which is completely voluntary on the part of the student as provided in paragraph (b)(1) of this section shall ensure that the separate portion is comparable to that offered to non-pregnant students.

(4) A recipient shall treat pregnancy, childbirth, false pregnancy, termination of pregnancy and recovery therefrom in the same manner and under the same policies as any other temporary disability with respect to any medical or hospital benefit, service, plan or policy which such recipient administers, operates, offers, or participates in with respect to students admitted to the recipient's educational program or activity.

(5) In the case of a recipient which does not maintain a leave policy for its students, or in the case of a student who does not otherwise qualify for leave under such a policy, a recipient shall treat pregnancy, childbirth, false pregnancy, termination of pregnancy and recovery therefrom as a justification for a leave of absence for so long a period of time as is deemed medically necessary by the student's physician, at the conclusion of which the student shall be reinstated to the status which she held when the leave began.

(Authority: Secs. 901, 902, Education Amendments of 1972, 86 Stat. 373, 374; 20 U.S.C. 1681, 1682)

[45 FR 30955, May 9, 1980, as amended at 65 FR 68056, Nov. 13, 2000]

34 C.F.R. Part 106
 
Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

Many of these charter schools are formed to counter the problems kids face at typical public schools. They are called Choice Schools for a reason. Students are selected, behavior commonly accepted in public schools are not tolerated at the schools. Their policies are much more strict and they require parent participation. They are required to achieve. They work very hard to overcome the commonly accepted 'norms' which make education and learning in many public schools impossible. They arent just working to overcome failing public schools but failing communities. They also have extraordinary graduation rates and their students are accepted into college on scholarships.

If you read their brochure, they state that the student is not kicked out of their program but they are offered in home study programs while they are pregnant. It MIGHT just be because they dont want the liability of a pregnant student in school, or, it MIGHT just be they dont the MTV babymomma mindset polluting their student body.

Oh...sure...all the hand wringers and panty wetters can get their way. They can shut down programs like this that are actually INVESTED and working for change (and not just ****ing winging and crying about how unfair life is). Those students could all be rolled back into the same kind of schools (or **** it...just put them back in the same schools period) that many of these families are desperately trying to escape from. Dont work to make things better for Gods sake...whatever you do.

Charter schools have the freedom to set their own rules, but they do not have the freedom to violate the law. Discrimination based on gender or pregnancy is a violation of Title IX, and unlawful search and seizure is prohibited under the Fourth Amendment.
 
Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

You must have missed the part in my very first post when I said that this is a CHARTER (i.e. public) school.

I did miss that. In which case they should simply stop taking public funding and become a private institution. Then again I don't believe that the government should be running schools to begin with.
 
Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

Charter schools have the freedom to set their own rules, but they do not have the freedom to violate the law. Discrimination based on gender or pregnancy is a violation of Title IX, and unlawful search and seizure is prohibited under the Fourth Amendment.
Could it be that this was all vetted by this particular school (a 'public' school) back in 2009 when the Charter and rules were issued, that their lawyers and the school lawyers may just have examined their policy, and you are (gasp) wrong?

The students are not kicked out of the program...they are offered a home study course while they are pregnant.
 
Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

Could it be that this was all vetted by this particular school (a 'public' school) back in 2009 when the Charter and rules were issued, that their lawyers and the school lawyers may just have examined their policy, and you are (gasp) wrong?

No. No it couldn't be.

VanceMack said:
The students are not kicked out of the program...they are offered a home study course while they are pregnant.

From Title IX:

(b) Pregnancy and related conditions. (1) A recipient shall not discriminate against any student, or exclude any student from its education program or activity, including any class or extracurricular activity, on the basis of such student's pregnancy, childbirth, false pregnancy, termination of pregnancy or recovery therefrom, unless the student requests voluntarily to participate in a separate portion of the program or activity of the recipient.

In other words, offering a home study course for pregnant students is all well and good...but you can't FORCE them to participate in it if they want to just take their regular classes.
 
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No. No it couldn't be.
From Title IX:
In other words, offering a home study course for pregnant students is all well and good...but you can't FORCE them to participate in it if they want to just take their regular classes.
And yet...they have been...since the formation of the school. But...no...its not possible that they might know something you dont know.

But hey...why bother having a school system actually WORKING to make positive changes in the students and communities lives. Lets just shut them down, make them like all the other public schools. **** the students they are actually helping...you by damn demands the RIGHTS...that...apparently no one else is fighting for.
 
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And yet...they have been...since the formation of the school. But...no...its not possible that they might know something you dont know.

What do you think they know that I don't, that gives them the authority to violate Title IX?

But hey...why bother having a school system actually WORKING to make positive changes in the students and communities lives. Lets just shut them down, make them like all the other public schools. **** the students they are actually helping...you by damn demands the RIGHTS...that...apparently no one else is fighting for.

Who said anything about shutting them down? All they need to do is cease and desist with this discriminatory, misogynistic, and illegal policy.
 
Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

I think everyone can untie the knot in their panties, because this isn't going to become any kind of real policy.

And, if it does, the state will cut off public funds and the independenty operated school will probably close it's door, permanently.
 
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What do you think they know that I don't, that gives them the authority to violate Title IX?
Who said anything about shutting them down? All they need to do is cease and desist with this discriminatory, misogynistic, and illegal policy.
Its likely that they had lawyers review their policies in advance...even had them accepted at a school board. And heres the funny part. The people of Richland Parish arent even the ones upset. Oh...I dont know...maybe its because Richland Parish suffers in comparison to Louisiana at large in all demographic areas and they figure a charter school that has higher standards and greater expectations might actually be a GOOD thing for students and their community...but what do they know. The ACLU will swoop in and save them.
 
Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

I think everyone can untie the knot in their panties, because this isn't going to become any kind of real policy.

And, if it does, the state will cut off public funds and the independenty operated school will probably close it's door, permanently.
It is a public school and it IS policy and has been for several years. Parents fight to get their kids in the school to actually give them a better opportunity at life. Not to worry...the ACLU will rescue them from themselves. In no time they can be back to having teen moms roaming the hallways. They can stop the 3 strike and you are expelled policy next. They can turn the charter school into just another failed public school in the name of 'equality'.
 
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Its likely that they had lawyers review their policies in advance...even had them accepted at a school board.

What you're basically saying is "I'm sure the government wouldn't violate our rights, so we should just trust them to police themselves." That is NOT how our justice system operates. Public schools have no authority to violate Title IX, and so far you have given no credible explanation how this isn't a Title IX violation and/or why Title IX wouldn't apply to them.

And heres the funny part. The people of Richland Parish arent even the ones upset. Oh...I dont know...maybe its because Richland Parish suffers in comparison to Louisiana at large in all demographic areas and they figure a charter school that has higher standards and greater expectations might actually be a GOOD thing for students and their community...but what do they know. The ACLU will swoop in and save them.

Just because you (or the people of Richland Parish, or anyone else) might think that mistreating pregnant girls produces "higher standards and greater expectations" does not give the school the authority to violate federal civil rights laws.
 
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It is a public school and it IS policy and has been for several years. Parents fight to get their kids in the school to actually give them a better opportunity at life. Not to worry...the ACLU will rescue them from themselves. In no time they can be back to having teen moms roaming the hallways. They can stop the 3 strike and you are expelled policy next. They can turn the charter school into just another failed public school in the name of 'equality'.

Your posts practically drip with misogyny. Where is your similar outrage over fathers being allowed to stay in school? At most, you give lip service to kicking them out too when specifically asked about it, but I don't see you bitching about "teen dads roaming the hallways," as though their mere presence in school is somehow harmful.
 
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It is a public school and it IS policy and has been for several years. Parents fight to get their kids in the school to actually give them a better opportunity at life. Not to worry...the ACLU will rescue them from themselves. In no time they can be back to having teen moms roaming the hallways. They can stop the 3 strike and you are expelled policy next. They can turn the charter school into just another failed public school in the name of 'equality'.

There's no doubt that this policy won't fly and that's the point I'm making.

The fuax outrage over this is just another chance for the hand-wringers to beat up on fill in your favorite politically incorrect group here
 
Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

Your posts practically drip with misogyny. Where is your similar outrage over fathers being allowed to stay in school? At most, you give lip service to kicking them out too when specifically asked about it, but I don't see you bitching about "teen dads roaming the hallways," as though their mere presence in school is somehow harmful.

The school doesn't actually have a problem, de jure, with being a parent, only the pregnancy itself. The women/girls can return to the attending normal classes after they have the child. So the whole "father's aren't being punished" thing is not only idiotic, it's completely baseless. But don't let reality get in the way of a "good" talking points, and in liberal cant any kind of sex/race based bull**** is a "good talking a point" .
 
Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

Your posts practically drip with misogyny. Where is your similar outrage over fathers being allowed to stay in school? At most, you give lip service to kicking them out too when specifically asked about it, but I don't see you bitching about "teen dads roaming the hallways," as though their mere presence in school is somehow harmful.
They arent BEING kicked out...they are being given a home study course while they are pregnant. Is reading not your strong suit? As for the ****ing HILARIOUS misogyny comment...this isnt ABOUT attacking women, it is about a SCHOOL actually...now...hang on...trying to HELP a community of people CHANGE from well below the poverty line and below average levels of academic achievement to ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING about bringing about change. Shocking...right? Not a bunch of worthless POS lawyers running around bleating about 'rights'..people in the trenches actually DOING something about it. **** that...cant have that. We should let people like you drive them back to mediocrity all in the name of fairness and their 'rights'...rights which...shockingly...NONE OF THEM actually seem to be bothered by. Hmmm...must be the actual STUDENTS and community members WANT higher standards and positive changes for their kids.
 
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