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School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens[W:150]

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DVSentinel said:
BTW, where are the references to the state and it's actions to any complaints that were filed? Did they go straight to a lawsuit without addressing concerns to the state and giving the state a chance to take action? What concerns were brought before the school and what actions did it take prior to the lawsuit?
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They haven't filed a lawsuit yet. The ACLU just told the school to cease and desist or they WILL be filing a lawsuit.
 
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GPS_Flex said:
It is a school of choice. The students/parents agree to the rules before being allowed to attend. Nothing in the US Constitution preventing this. Partial federal funding does not make a difference because it is a school of choice.
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Title IX states "No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance."

It doesn't say anything about a "school of choice" being an exception. For example, every state university in the country is a "school of choice," yet they are all subject to Title IX. There's no reason a public charter school would be any different.
 
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Kandahar said:
Title IX states "No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance."

It doesn't say anything about a "school of choice" being an exception. For example, every state university in the country is a "school of choice," yet they are all subject to Title IX. There's no reason a public charter school would be any different.
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The school isn't kicking all women out is it? Care to try again?
 
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GPS_Flex said:
The school isn't kicking all women out is it? Care to try again?
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Did you misread Title IX? Here it is again: "No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance."

It doesn't say "It's OK to do it to some people, as long as you don't do it to everyone."
 
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rathi said:
What the school did was illegal in addition to being immoral. The Gruenke v. Seip case established it was a 4th amendment violation for a coach to demand a girl take a pregnancy test.

School pregnancy test violates student's privacy rights - Gruenke v. Seip, 225 F.3d 290 (3rd Cir. 2000)
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Agreed. The ACLU doesn't seem to be approaching this from a Fourth Amendment angle (yet), but I think you're right that this would constitute an unlawful search and seizure, in addition to the other legal problems with it.
 
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Kandahar said:
Did you misread Title IX? Here it is again: "No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance."

It doesn't say "It's OK to do it to some people, as long as you don't do it to everyone."
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So a school can’t kick me out for drilling a peep hole into the girl’s locker room because that would violate Title IX right?
 
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GPS_Flex said:
So a school can’t kick me out for drilling a peep hole into the girl’s locker room because that would violate Title IX right?
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What?

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Kandahar said:
What?

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It is a simple question. You seem to think you know what Title IX protections are so you should know the answer.
 
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Kandahar said:
School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens | Fox News
US School Forces Pregnancy Tests On Girls, Excluding Those Who Are Pregnant Or Refuse
Get Tested Or Get Out: School Forces Pregnancy Tests on Girls, Kicks out Students Who Refuse or are Pregnant

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Wow, this is terrible. It's a blatant violation of Title IX and it's gender discrimination, pure and simple. And it's made worse by the fact that this is a PUBLIC charter school in Louisiana.
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My first reaction to this was.... what the f***

Second... I hope the ACLU goes after them.

Third.... how does this benefit anybody at that school in terms of education or getting into college? I see no practical, rational reason for the school to be doing this, other than judgement and ignorant fear that pregnancy spreads around like the gay or something.

Maybe the people running that school are too ignorant to be educating... :shrug:
 
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GPS_Flex said:
It is a simple question. You seem to think you know what Title IX protections are so you should know the answer.
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I have no idea how you think that a prohibition against gender discrimination would give you the right to drill a peephole into a girl's locker room. I mean...I can't even follow your train of logic to refute it.
 
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GPS_Flex said:
So a school can’t kick me out for drilling a peep hole into the girl’s locker room because that would violate Title IX right?
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If a school allowed lesbians to use the peephole but banned you for the same behavior, it would be a title IX violation. That doesn't change the fact that discrimination based on pregnancy is most definitely a title IX violation.
 
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And to any of you pro-life conservatives who are defending the school here: Have you considered the likely consequences that this will have on abortion rates? If schools decide to ban pregnant teenagers and make their lives even more difficult than they already are, you're probably going to see more abortions.

Not that I think very many "pro-life" people really care about abortion, except for political reasons. :roll:
 
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Kandahar said:
I have no idea how you think that a prohibition against gender discrimination would give you the right to drill a peephole into a girl's locker room. I mean...I can't even follow your train of logic to refute it.
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You have decided this is about “gender discrimination” because only women can get pregnant. Title IX doesn't apply here because discrimination against all women isn't occurring, only discrimination against an act of irresponsible behavior. If there was any way for the school to determine who the father was, I’m certain the school would expel the father as well.
 
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rathi said:
If a school allowed lesbians to use the peephole but banned you for the same behavior, it would be a title IX violation. That doesn't change the fact that discrimination based on pregnancy is most definitely a title IX violation.
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This is silly because lesbians would be in the women’s’ locker room to begin with. I’m all for lesbians in the men’s locker rooms and gay men in the girls locker rooms because I’m tired of getting zoomed and would prefer to do the zooming myself.

It has nothing to do with Title IX; it's just a weak attempt by the teachers unions and their supporters to bully private schools and charter schools.
 
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Kandahar said:
School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens | Fox News
US School Forces Pregnancy Tests On Girls, Excluding Those Who Are Pregnant Or Refuse
Get Tested Or Get Out: School Forces Pregnancy Tests on Girls, Kicks out Students Who Refuse or are Pregnant

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Wow, this is terrible. It's a blatant violation of Title IX and it's gender discrimination, pure and simple. And it's made worse by the fact that this is a PUBLIC charter school in Louisiana.
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It's Louisiana, what do you expect, they're not the brightest bulbs in the box, look who they have as governor. They'll probably get sued by the ACLU, and lose.
 
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GPS_Flex said:
You have decided this is about “gender discrimination” because only women can get pregnant. Title IX doesn't apply here because discrimination against all women isn't occurring, only discrimination against an act of irresponsible behavior. If there was any way for the school to determine who the father was, I’m certain the school would expel the father as well.
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In the story, there is no mention of any such policy mandating paternity tests and expelling the father. "You're certain" of it? On what basis? Furthermore, the policy seems to only apply to girls who are pregnant, not girls who have children. This leads me to believe that it *is* specifically about gender. Additionally, the school has no business discriminating on the basis of "irresponsible behavior" in the first place, if said behavior occurred outside of school and has nothing to do with school.

And then, of course, there is the issue of an unlawful search and seizure. The government has no business demanding you take a pregnancy test; pregnancy isn't illegal, and even if it was, they'd have to get a warrant.
 
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GPS_Flex said:
This is silly because lesbians would be in the women’s’ locker room to begin with. I’m all for lesbians in the men’s locker rooms and gay men in the girls locker rooms because I’m tired of getting zoomed and would prefer to do the zooming myself.
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Thank you for clarifying that you're a misogynist, in case there was any doubt when you started defending this school's actions.

It has nothing to do with Title IX; it's just a weak attempt by the teachers unions and their supporters to bully private schools and charter schools.
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I don't know where in the world you came to that conclusion, other than the fact that you saw "charter school" in the story and immediately started foaming at the mouth. I don't even see any mention of a teacher's union or a private school anywhere in this story, nor would this kind of policy be any more acceptable at a traditional public school.
 
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GPS_Flex said:
This is silly because lesbians would be in the women’s’ locker room to begin with. I’m all for lesbians in the men’s locker rooms and gay men in the girls locker rooms because I’m tired of getting zoomed and would prefer to do the zooming myself.
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You make up a ridiculous scenario you get a ridiculous (but legally correct) answer.


You have decided this is about “gender discrimination” because only women can get pregnant. Title IX doesn't apply here because discrimination against all women isn't occurring, only discrimination against an act of irresponsible behavior. If there was any way for the school to determine who the father was, I’m certain the school would expel the father as well.
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Title IX absolutely prevents discrimination based on pregnancy. The Chipman v. Grant County School case provides a good example.
 
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Kandahar said:
In the story, there is no mention of any such policy mandating paternity tests and expelling the father. "You're certain" of it? On what basis? Furthermore, the policy seems to only apply to girls who are pregnant, not girls who have children. This leads me to believe that it *is* specifically about gender. Additionally, the school has no business discriminating on the basis of "irresponsible behavior" in the first place, if said behavior occurred outside of school and has nothing to do with school.

And then, of course, there is the issue of an unlawful search and seizure. The government has no business demanding you take a pregnancy test; pregnancy isn't illegal, and even if it was, they'd have to get a warrant.
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Girls are a gender. Girls who are/do something aren’t a gender but an action or a result.... it isn't a gender issue. An action or result is required and that eliminates evoking Title IX. Is that so difficult to comprehend?Girls is a gender. Girls who are/do.... isn't a gender. Is that so difficult to comprehend?
 
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This is outrageous and will never be upheld by a federal court.

I mean, wtf is next? Strip-and-cavity search females to determine if they are menstruating and allowed to be excused from certain sports activities? Why not just strip all females as they walk in the school's front door, poke a gloved finger "up there", make them pee on a stick, then hand their clothes back to them and drag the next naked girl in line?

A blatantly unconstitutional breach of privacy rights, and complete discrimination against females. It pisses me off that there are misogynistic troglydytes in charge of educating our children who would even think of such an abhorrant policy, let alone implement one.
 
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GPS_Flex said:
Girls are a gender. Girls who are/do something aren’t a gender but an action or a result.... it isn't a gender issue. An action or result is required and that eliminates evoking Title IX. Is that so difficult to comprehend?Girls is a gender. Girls who are/do.... isn't a gender. Is that so difficult to comprehend?
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This has a disparate impact on females, since no effort is apparently being made to mandate paternity tests (at least not that's mentioned in the story) and expel the father. And even if there was, it is not immediately obvious from appearances who the father is whereas a pregnancy is obvious. Since this has a disparate impact on women, it is a violation of Title IX. Furthermore, mandating a pregnancy test constitutes an unlawful search and seizure, as the school does not have a warrant and pregnancy is not illegal.
 
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DiAnna said:
A blatantly unconstitutional breach of privacy rights, and complete discrimination against females. It pisses me off that there are misogynistic troglydytes in charge of educating our children who would even think of such an abhorrant policy, let alone implement one.
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My first thought on reading this story: "Banning girls from attending school is the kind of thing that the Taliban does."
My second thought on reading this story: "There will be misogynists on this forum who rush to the defense of the school."
 
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they should study lesson rather than get involved in unprotected sex as teens

but of course they shouldnt be fired from schools..

or their boyfriends should get fired too :roll:
 
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