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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I have to ask... Which gender paradise are you considering?
    Probably either Pakistan or Saudi Arabia.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The school is singling out only one gender side of a two gender sided equation and punishing them for the act. That's gender discrimination.
    True. They should throw the father out as well.

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    That's not even touching on the point of a school being able to mandate kids take pregancy tests and the possible 4th amendment ramifications there.
    Again, you have a point. It would be better to simply require the girls to provide proof of non-pregnancy on maybe a quarterly basis.

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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    The statistic is so low, it is safe to assume that whatever girl was being mentioned knew all the guys she slept with, at least if not by First Middle and Last name, then at least by his thug "jump-up" name (Itz yo baby, Biggy T!)
    And of course, you will swear up and down that there is nothing remotely racist in that comment.

    And that is why, specifically, your outrage over the 1% chance that she was legitimately raped by someone she didn't know is highly over the top.
    Why does it matter if she knows the person anyway? The school's policy is to kick out anyone who is pregnant.

    Its time to stop acting like asking woman to be responsible is sexism.
    Expelling women from school for being pregnant *is* sexism. You can "ask her to be responsible" all you want, but you can't deny her an education. That's the kind of **** the Taliban do.
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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    I wish people would read more than just the headlines.

    From one of the linked articles:

    So, no one is being denied educaiton for getting knocked up. In some ways, the home study concept might actually be beneficial to a pregnant student.
    Creating a separate program for pregnant mothers is fine if the student volunteers to participate. But the school cannot force the student to participate; that's a violation of Title IX.

    I have some beef with the way this is set up but approve of the premise. The "random prego tests" should be thrown out right away. I would also add that the boy invovled should also be subject to the same type of consequence as the pregnant girl does. Harder to prove but could be done with a solid interview process.

    Teen pregnancy should be discouraged.
    Teen pregnancy has enough consequences as it is without assholes intentionally making it much harder by preventing the mother from going to school.
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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Many of these charter schools are formed to counter the problems kids face at typical public schools. They are called Choice Schools for a reason. Students are selected, behavior commonly accepted in public schools are not tolerated at the schools. Their policies are much more strict and they require parent participation. They are required to achieve. They work very hard to overcome the commonly accepted 'norms' which make education and learning in many public schools impossible. They arent just working to overcome failing public schools but failing communities. They also have extraordinary graduation rates and their students are accepted into college on scholarships.

    If you read their brochure, they state that the student is not kicked out of their program but they are offered in home study programs while they are pregnant. It MIGHT just be because they dont want the liability of a pregnant student in school, or, it MIGHT just be they dont the MTV babymomma mindset polluting their student body.

    Oh...sure...all the hand wringers and panty wetters can get their way. They can shut down programs like this that are actually INVESTED and working for change (and not just ****ing winging and crying about how unfair life is). Those students could all be rolled back into the same kind of schools (or **** it...just put them back in the same schools period) that many of these families are desperately trying to escape from. Dont work to make things better for Gods sake...whatever you do.

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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Please show me where there is a Constitutional Right to an education, Hatuey. Assuming this is a Private institution, they most definitely have the right to determine which students they allow to attend.
    You must have missed the part in my very first post when I said that this is a CHARTER (i.e. public) school.
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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    I'm not seeing a Title IX violation and I'll explain why.

    It says you can't discriminate based on sex. Nobody is doing that. Just because only girls can get pregnant doesn't mean its discrimination based on sex, that's just biology. This is based on a girls behavior.
    If it has a disparate impact on women, then it's still gender discrimination. In any case, Title IX specifically outlaws discrimination based on pregnancy too.

    106.40 Marital or parental status.
    (a) Status generally. A recipient shall not apply any rule concerning a student's actual or potential parental, family, or marital status which treats students differently on the basis of sex.

    (b) Pregnancy and related conditions. (1) A recipient shall not discriminate against any student, or exclude any student from its education program or activity, including any class or extracurricular activity, on the basis of such student's pregnancy, childbirth, false pregnancy, termination of pregnancy or recovery therefrom, unless the student requests voluntarily to participate in a separate portion of the program or activity of the recipient.

    (2) A recipient may require such a student to obtain the certification of a physician that the student is physically and emotionally able to continue participation so long as such a certification is required of all students for other physical or emotional conditions requiring the attention of a physician.

    (3) A recipient which operates a portion of its education program or activity separately for pregnant students, admittance to which is completely voluntary on the part of the student as provided in paragraph (b)(1) of this section shall ensure that the separate portion is comparable to that offered to non-pregnant students.

    (4) A recipient shall treat pregnancy, childbirth, false pregnancy, termination of pregnancy and recovery therefrom in the same manner and under the same policies as any other temporary disability with respect to any medical or hospital benefit, service, plan or policy which such recipient administers, operates, offers, or participates in with respect to students admitted to the recipient's educational program or activity.

    (5) In the case of a recipient which does not maintain a leave policy for its students, or in the case of a student who does not otherwise qualify for leave under such a policy, a recipient shall treat pregnancy, childbirth, false pregnancy, termination of pregnancy and recovery therefrom as a justification for a leave of absence for so long a period of time as is deemed medically necessary by the student's physician, at the conclusion of which the student shall be reinstated to the status which she held when the leave began.

    (Authority: Secs. 901, 902, Education Amendments of 1972, 86 Stat. 373, 374; 20 U.S.C. 1681, 1682)

    [45 FR 30955, May 9, 1980, as amended at 65 FR 68056, Nov. 13, 2000]
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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Many of these charter schools are formed to counter the problems kids face at typical public schools. They are called Choice Schools for a reason. Students are selected, behavior commonly accepted in public schools are not tolerated at the schools. Their policies are much more strict and they require parent participation. They are required to achieve. They work very hard to overcome the commonly accepted 'norms' which make education and learning in many public schools impossible. They arent just working to overcome failing public schools but failing communities. They also have extraordinary graduation rates and their students are accepted into college on scholarships.

    If you read their brochure, they state that the student is not kicked out of their program but they are offered in home study programs while they are pregnant. It MIGHT just be because they dont want the liability of a pregnant student in school, or, it MIGHT just be they dont the MTV babymomma mindset polluting their student body.

    Oh...sure...all the hand wringers and panty wetters can get their way. They can shut down programs like this that are actually INVESTED and working for change (and not just ****ing winging and crying about how unfair life is). Those students could all be rolled back into the same kind of schools (or **** it...just put them back in the same schools period) that many of these families are desperately trying to escape from. Dont work to make things better for Gods sake...whatever you do.
    Charter schools have the freedom to set their own rules, but they do not have the freedom to violate the law. Discrimination based on gender or pregnancy is a violation of Title IX, and unlawful search and seizure is prohibited under the Fourth Amendment.
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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You must have missed the part in my very first post when I said that this is a CHARTER (i.e. public) school.
    I did miss that. In which case they should simply stop taking public funding and become a private institution. Then again I don't believe that the government should be running schools to begin with.

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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Charter schools have the freedom to set their own rules, but they do not have the freedom to violate the law. Discrimination based on gender or pregnancy is a violation of Title IX, and unlawful search and seizure is prohibited under the Fourth Amendment.
    Could it be that this was all vetted by this particular school (a 'public' school) back in 2009 when the Charter and rules were issued, that their lawyers and the school lawyers may just have examined their policy, and you are (gasp) wrong?

    The students are not kicked out of the program...they are offered a home study course while they are pregnant.

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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Could it be that this was all vetted by this particular school (a 'public' school) back in 2009 when the Charter and rules were issued, that their lawyers and the school lawyers may just have examined their policy, and you are (gasp) wrong?
    No. No it couldn't be.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack
    The students are not kicked out of the program...they are offered a home study course while they are pregnant.
    From Title IX:

    (b) Pregnancy and related conditions. (1) A recipient shall not discriminate against any student, or exclude any student from its education program or activity, including any class or extracurricular activity, on the basis of such student's pregnancy, childbirth, false pregnancy, termination of pregnancy or recovery therefrom, unless the student requests voluntarily to participate in a separate portion of the program or activity of the recipient.
    In other words, offering a home study course for pregnant students is all well and good...but you can't FORCE them to participate in it if they want to just take their regular classes.
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