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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    ARCHIVED--Applying Federal Civil Rights Laws to Public Charter Schools

    Charter schools are considered public schools. They do have certain exemptions, but they must follow federal civil rights laws including title IX.

    Making students at a charter school take a pregnancy test and kicking them out if they test positive is against the law. Kandahar and I have provided numerous sources including relevant court cases on the subject throughout the thread. If anyone wants to dispute that, they are going to need more evidence than mere personal feelings on the subject.
    public/not public = semantic bull****. Waste someone else's time with it.

    Whether or not they can or can't do it, entirely depends on what the parameters of their charter is and what the parents/students signed to attend the school. You see, unlike public schools, charter schools often have conditions that need to be signed in agreement to in order to attend.

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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    public/not public = semantic bull****. Waste someone else's time with it.

    Whether or not they can or can't do it, entirely depends on what the parameters of their charter is and what the parents/students signed to attend the school. You see, unlike public schools, charter schools often have conditions that need to be signed in agreement to in order to attend.
    It seems you didn't read the link, in the spirit of generosity I will post the relevant paragraph and even bold the key terms.

    The U.S. Department of Education (ED), Office for Civil Rights (OCR) enforces a number of civil rights laws that apply to public schools, including charter schools. These laws include: Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VI), which prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, or national origin; Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 (Title IX), which prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex in education programs
    In short, it is no more legal to kick out pregnant students from a charter school than it would be kick out black students. That is not an analogy, that is the law as written in anti-discrimination legislation and interpreted by the courts.
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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    It seems you didn't read the link, I in the spirit of generosity I will post the relevant paragraph and even bold the key terms.



    In short, it is no more legal to kick out pregnant students from a charter school than it would be kick out black students. That is not an analogy, that is the law as written in anti-discrimination legislation and interpreted by the courts.
    What is with you people and your inability to understand simple freaking English?

    It depends on their charter and what the students/parents signed. It depends on their charter and what the students/parents signed.
    It depends on their charter and what the students/parents signed.

    There is no debate or discussions in the absence of those materials.

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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

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    What is with you people and your inability to understand simple freaking English?

    It depends on their charter and what the students/parents signed. It depends on their charter and what the students/parents signed.
    It depends on their charter and what the students/parents signed.

    There is no debate or discussions in the absence of those materials.
    If you were aware of how the U.S. legal system works, you would know that agreements which violate federal law are invalid. For example, I couldn't enforce a contract in which you agreed to be my slave, even if you signed it willingly.

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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    If you were aware of how the U.S. legal system works, you would know that agreements which violate federal law are invalid. For example, I couldn't enforce a contract in which you agreed to be my slave, even if you signed it willingly.
    You ever heard of an ethics clause, mister wanna-be lawyer who knows jack **** about law?

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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

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    You ever heard of an ethics clause, mister wanna-be lawyer who knows jack **** about law?
    There is no "ethics clause" in a charter school policy which allows you to violate federal discrimination laws.

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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    Achievement is not based on "one student". They use things like graduation rates and averages on standardized test scores.
    The whole idea is to improve each student's achievement. The idea for Charter Schools is to address the educational needs of each student with comprehensive strategies for improving the entire school so every student achieves high levels of academic proficiency.

    Charter schools are not public schools. The end. Saying something is a public schoold because of where it gets some of its funding makes every major university in the USA a "public school". So shove the semantic bull**** up someone else's ass.
    Haha, because you say so? What a a bunch of bull. They are partly funded by the public, students don't pay tuition, and anybody can attend. Only a brain dead person would call that anything other than a public school. Major universities for your information, are not "tuition free", so only a dullard would make that comparison.

    I know you didn't provide any proof for your statement because you don't have any.

    Charter schools are not bound by the same rules/regulations public schools are. Which you chose not to bold on your pathetic copy and paste job.
    I didn't say they were, so quit making **** up. However, they are not exempt when it comes to discrimination defined by the Constitution. I thought most Republican/conservatives were so strict on following the Constitution. Oh, I forgot, only when it agrees with their agenda.


    I like how you respond to **** like days after someone writes on it, like the coward who talks big and tough after the other guy walks out of the room. Grow some balls. Oh, and learn some basic grammar. "dog's" = singular possessive, "dogs'" = plural possessive.
    First of all, I can't grow balls, cause I'm a woman. I guess if you were smart enough to check out the female symbol in my avatar you would have figured that out, but after the way you've failed in your argument, I can see where you wouldn't know how to do that.
    Also, your inane statement "after the other guy walks out of the room" makes about as much sense as your argument that charter schools are not public.
    Also, I know the difference between singular and plural, but apparently you weren't able to comprehend my statement, which was a possessive singular. So, you are trying to blame your ineptness on me by claiming that I don't know the difference, or maybe you are just trying to disguise the dyslexia.


    Most second graders I've seen have easily grasped that, but given a psychotic liberal brain, maybe someone might figure it out by, say, sophomore in high school? I know by the time they are in college they will claim they know everything there is to know about the English language, when they don't know the most basic grammatical concepts. As a side note, when you do something really stupid, you shouldn't keep drawing attention to it. Just a bit of life advice.
    So, apparently you aren't ready to be promoted to the 3rd grade? Also, you should learn to take your own advice. The only one that has done something really stupid was you, when you claimed that Charter Schools were not public. I provided you with plenty of links to demolish your claim, and yet you still hold on to it without providing any credible proof. Now, that is stupid, but what else can you expect from brainwashed Rushbots?



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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    public/not public = semantic bull****. Waste someone else's time with it.
    Nice dodge. I guess you've been handed your rear on a platter.

    Whether or not they can or can't do it, entirely depends on what the parameters of their charter is and what the parents/students signed to attend the school. You see, unlike public schools, charter schools often have conditions that need to be signed in agreement to in order to attend.
    That doesn't mean they are not public. But, continue with your assertion without proof, it really makes you look intelligent.



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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    There is no "ethics clause" in a charter school policy which allows you to violate federal discrimination laws.
    He wasn't even able to prove that Charter Schools are not public schools, but insists that because he says they are not, they are not!



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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I am reasonably sure I have already answered this.
    No, you haven't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    You are so strong! May I feel your muscles tough guy?
    So, you have no rebutal for what I said, got it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    You need to go soak your head.
    So, you have no rebutal for what I said, got it.

    As I thought, you lied and this isn't about creating a "conducive learning environment", it's about punishing ONLY pregnant females.

    You and othes that support this don't have a leg to stand on. You have proven you are a sesxist and wish to treat women as second class citizens. You might have had some support if you were to punish the male involved as well, but since you only want to punish the pregnant females it will get tossed out in court.

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