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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
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    For this e saying that this is a violation of the right to privacy of the students and it violates Amendment IV... I believe the court will look to VERNONIA v ACTON for precedence. (I did a paper on it a few years back, I am not a lawyer)

    In that case it was ruled that students have a reduced right to privacy. Granted it was about drug testing, but it will be used.

    NEW JERSEY v T.L.O found that "special needs" exist in public schools when dealing w children and "probable cause". That may come into play as well.
    Gruenke v. Seip ruled that a school coach requiring a pregnancy test for an athlete is a 4th amendment violation. Given the much greater importance of attending school than playing on sports team, the precedent would even stronger in this case.

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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Gruenke v. Seip ruled that a school coach requiring a pregnancy test for an athlete is a 4th amendment violation. Given the much greater importance of attending school than playing on sports team, the precedent would even stronger in this case.
    Thanx. I had not heard of that one. That surprises me. It would seem that the TLO case that said the Special Needs to keep the children safe would have applied. Like I said, I am not a lawyer, so I don't keep up on these things.
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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens[W:150]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Please tell me that was sarcasm.
    While I don't believe pregnancy tests are necessary, the parent's focus should be entirely on the child. Both the mother and the father should be removed from school, and the father should be required to get a job to support the child. One does not simply pop out a baby and everything is the same as it ever was.
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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Students lose many constitutional rights in public schools, one that comes to mind is freedom of speech. I believe the rationale is disruptive. I imagine a teenager walking around with a big fat belly would be disruptive, or at least used as a rationale for what constitutes disruption.

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    Issue: Freedom of Speech at School
    Bottom Line: You Have the Right To Express Yourself—Up to a Point

    Background
    In December 1965, John and Mary Beth Tinker and their friend Chris Eckhardt wore black armbands to school in Des Moines, Iowa, to protest the war in Vietnam. School officials told them to remove the armbands, and when they refused, they were suspended (John, 15, from North High; Mary Beth, 13, from Warren Harding Junior High; and Chris, 16, from Roosevelt High). With their parents, they sued the school district, claiming a violation of their First Amendment right of freedom of speech.

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    The Supreme Court sided with the students. Students and teachers don't "shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate," the Court said.

    The Court did not, however, grant students an unlimited right to self-expression. It said First Amendment guarantees must be balanced against a school's need to keep order: As long as an act of expression doesn't disrupt classwork or school activities or invade the rights of others, it's acceptable. Regarding the students in this case, "their deviation consisted only in wearing on their sleeve a band of black cloth," the Court said. "They caused discussion outside of the classrooms, but no interference with work and no disorder."
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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Maybe the policy is for the benefit of all of the other students.
    How is it a benefit when it only punishes the females? This is the equivalent of giving the male involved in the preganancy a "high-five" because he isn't punished in the least by the school. I guess females are just secondary people to you huh?

    I think the acceptable action in this case to make it equal would be to kick out the male involved as well.
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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    The statistic is so low, it is safe to assume that whatever girl was being mentioned knew all the guys she slept with, at least if not by First Middle and Last name, then at least by his thug "jump-up" name (Itz yo baby, Biggy T!) And that is why, specifically, your outrage over the 1% chance that she was legitimately raped by someone she didn't know is highly over the top.



    Its time to stop acting like asking woman to be responsible is sexism.

    Actualy 85% of college age rape victims know their assailants.
    Which means about 15% of college age rape victims are raped by strangers.

    Stats for high school age victims might be higher.

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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Actualy 85% of college age rape victims know their assailants.
    Which means about 15% of college age rape victims are raped by strangers.

    Stats for high school age victims might be higher.

    http://www.campusoutreachservices.co...th-Fact-HS.pdf
    Seeing rape investigations personally, I can't really trust any statistics based upon initial reports of rape.
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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    How is it a benefit when it only punishes the females? This is the equivalent of giving the male involved in the preganancy a "high-five" because he isn't punished in the least by the school. I guess females are just secondary people to you huh?

    I think the acceptable action in this case to make it equal would be to kick out the male involved as well.
    But boys will be boys. It's the girls' whose bodies we have to regulate. /snark

    Kinda like how the Right went absolutely bonkers when Texas made all their young girls get immunized against HPV, but the reaction to the boys' getting the very same vaccine was so muted that many people probably don't even know that it happened.

    Glad to see the ACLU take a stand against this blatant misogyny. May this school be punished, HARD.
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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Actualy 85% of college age rape victims know their assailants.
    Which means about 15% of college age rape victims are raped by strangers.

    Stats for high school age victims might be higher.

    http://www.campusoutreachservices.co...th-Fact-HS.pdf
    Who the **** is "campus outreach services", and why should anyone give a **** what they have to say?

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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    How is it a benefit when it only punishes the females? This is the equivalent of giving the male involved in the preganancy a "high-five" because he isn't punished in the least by the school. I guess females are just secondary people to you huh?

    I think the acceptable action in this case to make it equal would be to kick out the male involved as well.
    I believe the intention is to keep a learning environment for everybody who isn't a pregnant teen a learning environment.

    I think about sex essentially nonstop. Okay. Since I am close to sixty now maybe I have slowed down a bit. I think about sex 5-8 times per minute. Young, fecund, pregnant teens would distract me.

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