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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    If the pregnant student will miss time from the classes, and thus likely fail anyway, then what is the harm?
    So pregnant teens can't learn? Is that what you are saying?

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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    If the pregnant student will miss time from the classes, and thus likely fail anyway, then what is the harm?
    The harm is that educators don't get to set discriminatory policies based on your assessment of who is "likely to fail anyway." If the student ACTUALLY fails, that's a different matter.

    This is ONLY policy at the charter school that has a waiting list of those wanting to get into it. Limitted resources can (and should) be allocated to those that will get the most advantage from them.
    So do you think that public schools should be able to ban black students, if they are statistically more likely to fail classes?

    If this discourages teen pregnancy then NO harm is done from it. Priority ONE is to complete school, then start a "family" - social and public policy should reenforce that TRUTH and not pretend it is just peachy for kids to have babies before completing high school.
    Schools cannot institute such a blatantly discriminatory policy. It's not like they're mandating paternity tests and expelling fathers. And even if they were, that would still be bull****. The school is there to educate students.
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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Actually in La. many of the charter schools were also private schools that applied to receive chater status. It has been on the local news a lot over the last few months. If the state has problems with a particular school, don't issue or allow charter status.
    If it's a charter school, then it's funded by the state and therefore subject to the same civil rights laws as any other public institution. Furthermore, it's not up to the state to decide that they don't "have a problem with a particular school." States do NOT have the authority to violate federal law.
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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If it's a charter school, then it's funded by the state and therefore subject to the same civil rights laws as any other public institution. Furthermore, it's not up to the state to decide that they don't "have a problem with a particular school." States do NOT have the authority to violate federal law.
    Apparently there is a disconnect in our understanding. The news out of Shreveport spent two weeks or more tracking which private schools were applying for charter status from the state, basically, the meaning I got from them was not that the state was funding the school but was tuitioning students to attend that school. Apparently you are refering more to school like the 4 high schools in that area that repeatedly failed standards and were taken over by the state. Perhaps the news stations were wrong refering to it as chartering or that state uses a different definition for what it defines as a charter school. But the news broadcast were using the term Charter and were referring to the state tuitioning students in those private schools.

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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    If the pregnant student will miss time from the classes, and thus likely fail anyway, then what is the harm? This is ONLY policy at the charter school that has a waiting list of those wanting to get into it. Limitted resources can (and should) be allocated to those that will get the most advantage from them. If this discourages teen pregnancy then NO harm is done from it. Priority ONE is to complete school, then start a "family" - social and public policy should reenforce that TRUTH and not pretend it is just peachy for kids to have babies before completing high school.
    They should do this in sports. Have all the teams build their roster in the off-season, then award the championship trophy to the team most likely to win. No wasting time with all that playing crap, it's probably irrelevant anyway.

    Oh, wait... it seldom actually works out that way. That's why they actually play the games.


    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Kicking out pregnant students helps no one, if you want to curb teen pregnancy there is only one way, comprehensive sex education. Kicking pregnant kids out doesn't do that.
    There's another way, and it was actually relatively effective (until we lost the wherewithal to do it)... bring back public shame. Quit with all the oohing and aahing and baby showers and crap, and give them an earful of why they're being irresponsible to their kid by putting said kid at what is more then likely to be a disadvantage.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If it's a charter school, then it's funded by the state and therefore subject to the same civil rights laws as any other public institution. Furthermore, it's not up to the state to decide that they don't "have a problem with a particular school." States do NOT have the authority to violate federal law.
    They're talking about girls, so their right are irrelevant. As any Conservative.
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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    if you want to curb teen pregnancy there is only one way, comprehensive sex education.
    That is not the only way.

    I bet if we tried tethered chastity belts, it would work wonders.


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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If it's a charter school, then it's funded by the state and therefore subject to the same civil rights laws as any other public institution. Furthermore, it's not up to the state to decide that they don't "have a problem with a particular school." States do NOT have the authority to violate federal law.
    That's not quite true. From Louisiana's website:

    Charter schools are governed independently by a board of directors and are free from many laws and regulations governing traditional schools. This allows charter schools significant flexibility and autonomy to allocate resources. However, in exchange for this flexibility, charter schools are regularly monitored and must demonstrate defined academic achievement goals and maintain satisfactory financial and contractual performance indicators in order to have their charters renewed. Thus, charter schools in Louisiana are subject to stringent standards as well as specific objectives outlined in their charter contracts with local school boards or BESE.
    Of course, should the state choose, they can revoke their charter.
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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That's not quite true. From Louisiana's website:

    Of course, should the state choose, they can revoke their charter.
    Charter schools have more freedom than traditional public schools, but they do not have total autonomy. They still have to obey the law...and in any case, Louisiana does not have the authority to allow them to opt out of a federal law anyway.
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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Charter schools have more freedom than traditional public schools, but they do not have total autonomy. They still have to obey the law...and in any case, Louisiana does not have the authority to allow them to opt out of a federal law anyway.
    That could be why there is a law suit. Currently in La, there is a battle between the union that represents public school teachers and the state over charter schools. The union doesn't want the state to use them and has filed suit but while they did not strictly loose that suit, the judge refused to instate an injunction, basically, the judge pushed it to a higher court. Now shortly after loosing or at least not winning their suit, we have this suit come up against a charter school in that state. Funny the timing as I don't believe that the issue just suddenly sprung up overnight. Now we have to wait on judgement of whether it actually violates federal law or not. Also, I have not seen the states position yet on this school and whether or not it is reviewing this particular schools charter status. I suspect that the state will step in and do something once the process has had time to take affect. After all, this is a major public relations "embarrasment" in it's fight with the teachers union if it does not take any action.

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