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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What? You're being nonsensical at best. The state issuing charters does not give the school the ability to violate the basic constitutional rights of students.
    Students lose many constitutional rights in public schools, one that comes to mind is freedom of speech. I believe the rationale is disruptive. I imagine a teenager walking around with a big fat belly would be disruptive, or at least used as a rationale for what constitutes disruption.

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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And of course, you will swear up and down that there is nothing remotely racist in that comment.
    I quote some **** I heard on Maury and Im called a racist.... By a liberal.... go figure....




    Why does it matter if she knows the person anyway? The school's policy is to kick out anyone who is pregnant.
    Don't ask me... im not the one who brought it up, just responded to it.... Go attack the source of those comments. Thanks. I'd figure you've been around long enough to know how this works. Reckon I was wrong.




    Expelling women from school for being pregnant *is* sexism. You can "ask her to be responsible" all you want, but you can't deny her an education. That's the kind of **** the Taliban do.
    Nobody is expelling her from the entire school system. Just the special CHARTER school. See... As a student (or parent of a student) you have to APPLY to go to a Charter School (unless its the type of Charter school for the **** up worthless do nothings one step away from Juvenile Detention then Prison... you know, the ones who are going to rob you in 3 months). If you can't act responsibly, they will replace you with someone who will. I have no problem with that. Nobody is being DENIED an education. They are being kicked out of the CHARTER School. There is even a home study program they can do. And I imagine, the student can always go back to the regular ass school that they were previously assigned by district/location/etc.
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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Creating a separate program for pregnant mothers is fine if the student volunteers to participate. But the school cannot force the student to participate; that's a violation of Title IX.



    Teen pregnancy has enough consequences as it is without assholes intentionally making it much harder by preventing the mother from going to school.

    Ahem... They weren't forced to ask for special charter school assignment... *cough cough cough*.
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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If it has a disparate impact on women, then it's still gender discrimination. In any case, Title IX specifically outlaws discrimination based on pregnancy too.



    34 C.F.R. Part 106
    So according to this its wrong for a school to deny a pregnant female a spot on the volleyball team due to her pregnancy?

    Obviously, there are some things that don't fall under this.....
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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    If the pregnant student will miss time from the classes, and thus likely fail anyway, then what is the harm? [...]
    Since people will eventually die anyway, what is the harm in killing them prematurely?

    Ya know, I can kinda see how this right wing logic thing works

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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by E-M View Post
    I tried to post this last night but my internet decided it wasn't going to work anymore.



    GPS_Flex simply said that if a girl didn't know who she had sex with she shouldn't be in a charter school. I can't find the statistics on this but I can't imagine juvenile sex between 100% strangers, who never share their identities, is consensual anywhere close to 99% of the time. Most cases I know of where a girl has absolutely no idea who she had sex with it was a result of some sort of rape drug. In that case a girl doesn't need to be a stranger of her rapist to not know who she was raped by. So that little statistic of yours means absolutely nothing.

    But that is also because it isn't a statics at all, it is a complete lie. Rapes among juveniles are committed by complete strangers 7% of the time (of course you weren't talking about juvenile rape specifically, and the average rate of rape by strangers is 33%). For a crime as serious as rape 7% can not be treated as a bizarre outlier, it is a relevant statistic. Especially considering 44% of all sexual assault is among juveniles, the demographic we are mainly talking about.

    Statistics | RAINN | Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network

    Facts and logic aren't on your side.



    I doubt there is a massive portion of girls who have no idea who they had sex with because they just didn't care to know. That goes completely against the prevailing sociological data on the sexual attitudes and tendencies of girls. Males are much more likely to be having casual sex and are obviously almost exclusively the ones raping people (I'm not saying those two are connected). Thus while males are the ones primarily pushing for sex without attachments they are the ones who are not being burdened. One would think the physical stress of pregnancy would be enough, but now we are throwing girls the stress of loosing their education.

    So the group that is, by all measures, least responsible is the only one being punished for irresponsibility. It absolutely is sexism to look at girls who are still minors and expect them to shoulder the entire burden for the consensual and non-consensual sexual activity that occurs around them. It is absolutely sexism when we go looking for new reasons to punish them, especially when we aren't even trying to find the fathers (who also might be able to threaten girls into silence).

    Ignoring facts and logic to exclusively blame women for things men are more responsible for is basically the definition of sexism.

    Wow. Its obvious you missed the whole point of GPS_Flex's post.

    He was talking about tramps who don't know who the baby's father is because they have slept with 6 or 7 different guys within the appropriate period of time to allow pregnancy.

    Of course, when such a topic is brought up... the first thing the hand-wringers start crying about is WHAT ABOUT RAPE !! RAPE!! Because that happens so ****ing often

    Bringing up rape as the defense to irresponsibility is tossing the issue of irresponsibility aside because nobody wants to face the fact that teens and even adults are WAYYYY to irresponsible about sex.... in fact, irresponsible sex is culturally encouraged unfortunately.
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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    So according to this its wrong for a school to deny a pregnant female a spot on the volleyball team due to her pregnancy?

    Obviously, there are some things that don't fall under this.....
    Federal courts have specifically ruled against barring pregnant girls from sports team unless it is medically dangerous to the mother or child.

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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Nobody is expelling her from the entire school system. Just the special CHARTER school. [...]
    Ah. Then I can safely presume that you disagree with SCOTUS in Brown v. Board of Education?
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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Leave it to Louisiana to find a way to dumb down their own citizens. Instead of providing classes that teach sex education to prevent unwanted pregnancies, they are taking the opposite approach, make them even dumber. I'm surprised that Republican/conservatives would side with the school, since most conservatives claim to be so conscientious of the Constitution. I guess only when it pertains to their own views, eh? I bet if Bristol Palin had been kicked out of school for being pregnant, they would be singing a different tune.

    The policy’s complete disregard for Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972, the federal law that prohibits sex discrimination in federally funded education programs and activities, is astonishing. Title IX and its regulations explicitly mandate that schools cannot exclude any student from an education program or activity, “including any class or extracurricular activity, on the basis of such student’s pregnancy, childbirth, false pregnancy, termination of pregnancy or recovery therefrom.”
    Besides violating Title IX, the policy is also in violation of the Constitution’s due process right to procreate, and equal protection: it treats female students differently from male students and relies on archaic stereotypes linked to sex and pregnancy.
    Approximately 70 percent of teen girls who give birth leave school, due in part to illegal discrimination. Schools should be supporting pregnant and parenting teens that face numerous barriers to completing their education, not illegally excluding them from school. The ACLU’s Women’s Rights Project protects the rights of pregnant and parenting teens through advocacy, education, and litigation, working to combat the push-out of pregnant and parenting teens from school.


    Im sorry, was their curriculum posted somewhere where it shows they don't bother with sex education? I might have missed that, please point it out to me if I did.

    Thanks for your help.......
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    Re: School policy forces students to take pregnancy tests, bans pregnant teens

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Federal courts have specifically ruled against barring pregnant girls from sports team unless it is medically dangerous to the mother or child.
    And that is ****ing retarded.

    But then again..... you DID say FEDERAL Courts after all.......
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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