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    Re: Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Then show me the quote in the article that exactly states their intentions behind putting up the 13 crosses.

    " ..“It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity,” said Mack Richards, aMiddle Tennessee Baptist Church member who built the crosses at the request of Grace Baptist member and friend Bobby Francis. “We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things.”
    “That’s what the church voted to do,” said Francis, a member of Grace Baptist since the 1970s when it was on Dill Lane. ..."

    The OP carried a direct quote from the church member who put up the crosses and from the church member who asked him to do so, who directly claimed that the church had voted on having the work done.
    That's not speculation, that's the statements of the perpetrators. What evidence do you have that the reported statements of those involved are not accurate?
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    Re: Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    " ..“It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity,” said Mack Richards, aMiddle Tennessee Baptist Church member who built the crosses at the request of Grace Baptist member and friend Bobby Francis. “We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things.”
    “That’s what the church voted to do,” said Francis, a member of Grace Baptist since the 1970s when it was on Dill Lane. ..."

    The OP carried a direct quote from the church member who put up the crosses and from the church member who asked him to do so, who directly claimed that the church had voted on having the work done.
    That's not speculation, that's the statements of the perpetrators. What evidence do you have that the reported statements of those involved are not accurate?
    Perpetrators! Are you kidding me. It was a statement to the Muslims to let them know how they feel about their religion--Christianity. You guys keep quoting it but not reading it, apparently.

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    Re: Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    LOL!

    James, you're pathetic. I just gave you the quote from the church member who said 100% directly it was a message TO THE MUSLIMS. But you ignore that and go off on what road is where.

    The ****ing guy said it was a message to the Muslims.

    This is now officially a waste of my time.
    And you have nothing but baseless accusations about what that message is.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    " ..“It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity,” said Mack Richards, aMiddle Tennessee Baptist Church member who built the crosses at the request of Grace Baptist member and friend Bobby Francis. “We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things.”
    “That’s what the church voted to do,” said Francis, a member of Grace Baptist since the 1970s when it was on Dill Lane. ..."

    The OP carried a direct quote from the church member who put up the crosses and from the church member who asked him to do so, who directly claimed that the church had voted on having the work done.
    That's not speculation, that's the statements of the perpetrators. What evidence do you have that the reported statements of those involved are not accurate?
    Not good enough! I want a sworn affidavit by every church member in town that they hate Muslims! I want every document notorized! I want witnesses! Dozens of 'em! I want their mothers on the stand, under oath, swearing on the Inerrant Truth of the Bible that the crosses are a message!

    Anything short of that and you're just SPECULATING!!!

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    Re: Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    And you have nothing but baseless accusations about what that message is.
    Yup, totally. 100% baseless claims I'm making here. Just pulling stuff out of my butt. It's all made up. In fact, that's a phony article.

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    Re: Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    " ..“It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity,” said Mack Richards, aMiddle Tennessee Baptist Church member who built the crosses at the request of Grace Baptist member and friend Bobby Francis. “We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things.”
    “That’s what the church voted to do,” said Francis, a member of Grace Baptist since the 1970s when it was on Dill Lane. ..."
    It looks like the church's message is "our religion is better than yours",which is something almost every person who is actually religious feels about their faith.

    The OP carried a direct quote from the church member who put up the crosses and from the church member who asked him to do so, who directly claimed that the church had voted on having the work done.
    That's not speculation, that's the statements of the perpetrators. What evidence do you have that the reported statements of those involved are not accurate?
    The speculation is what exactly were the intentions of those church members.They are speculating it is to intimidate when there is no evidence of this.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    " ..“It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity,” said Mack Richards, aMiddle Tennessee Baptist Church member who built the crosses at the request of Grace Baptist member and friend Bobby Francis. “We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things.”
    “That’s what the church voted to do,” said Francis, a member of Grace Baptist since the 1970s when it was on Dill Lane. ..."

    The OP carried a direct quote from the church member who put up the crosses and from the church member who asked him to do so, who directly claimed that the church had voted on having the work done.
    That's not speculation, that's the statements of the perpetrators. What evidence do you have that the reported statements of those involved are not accurate?
    Maybe it's cause I'm dumb or not religious, I just don't get what that means. What does 13 crosses in your yard mean you feel about Christianity? Is that a special number that means no Muslims or something? I get the idea that the explanation was clipped by the interviewer or something. Just seems like a pointless act. I would need to know more I guess before assuming it means "WE HATE MUSLIMS" or something similar.

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    Re: Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Yup, totally. 100% baseless claims I'm making here. Just pulling stuff out of my butt. It's all made up. In fact, that's a phony article.

    The article is about a church that is 3-4 miles away from a mosque decided to put crosses on a church lawn.You are making it seem as though they are trying to intimidate Muslims,something more devious or that this is akin to burning crosses on black people's lawns.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    What's next?

    I believe next comes the story where someone at the Christian church has too much to drink and decides to throw a brink throw the window of the Mosque or paint something nasty on the side of the building.

    The point is, we have to stop these 'Christian' behaving badly by calling them out.

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    Re: Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

    Consider if you can, the reverse scenario. You are building a church down the street from a Mosque in a minly Muslim area, and a lot of your equipment is vandalised or set afire. Later that year the Mosque suddenly puts up 13 Crescent signs all along the front where you have to pass to go to church. What message are they sending to you?
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