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Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

When it's a mosque in NY city, it's a clear monument to the triumph over the infidels on 9/11, a throwback to the Muslim tradition of building mosques on conquered Christian lands. Obviously!

When it's Christians who say they're sending a message to local Muslims who want to build a mosque, then it's all "whoa whoa whoa, let's not jump to conclusions!"

Wait so radical Christians acting like buttheads is morally equivalent to radical muslims killing 3000 people? Not saying all muslims or all christians are the same but there arent very many radical Christians engaging in terrorism. Only notable exception in the last century was in the UK with Catholics and Protestants. HATE resorting to this argument but you brought the NYC Mosque into this clusterfark, not me.

Btw the church...its already there. The situations are a little different. They are heightening the visibility of their symbols of their religion, but they are within their rights to do so. Stupid to do so with the stated purpose but within their rights to do it.
 
But look at it,obviously there is some hidden meaning behind it.
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Well, I have a statement by the church saying it's a message to the Muslims in no uncertain terms.

And honestly, James. What do you expect them to say to the media? "Yeah, we hate those towel-head terrorists and they don't deserve to be here"? Gimmie a break. Just admit they are being dicks to their Muslims neighbors so I can go back to cleaning my house.
 
Got me wondering if the church down the street has any Crosses out front I just haven't noticed and who they are taunting if they do.
 
Well, I have a statement by the church saying it's a message to the Muslims in no uncertain terms.

And honestly, James. What do you expect them to say to the media? "Yeah, we hate those towel-head terrorists and they don't deserve to be here"? Gimmie a break. Just admit they are being dicks to their Muslims neighbors so I can go back to cleaning my house.

So is this more those MSNBC republican dog whistles? Crosses on a church lawn,especially a church law that is 3-4 miles away from a mosque is somehow MSNBC dog whistle code for "we hate muslims"?
 
That is true for some liberals, but not for many others. There is actually a large number of Christian liberals who view government as a vehicle for fulfilling the biblical commands to love thy neighbor and to be your brothers keeper. The welfare state, for them, is faith based and therefore moral. For them, the separation of church and state is mere rhetoric.

I am of the more liberal persuasion who has this view. However, voting for one's moral beliefs is not a violation of the separation of church and state.
 
So is this more those MSNBC republican dog whistles? Crosses on a church lawn,especially a church law that is 3-4 miles away from a mosque is somehow MSNBC dog whistle code for "we hate muslims"?

No.

You asked for some sort of "proof" of what their message to the Muslims is.

And I'm saying what do you expect? For them to come right out and say, yeah, we don't want these Muslims in our neighborhood and we oppose the mosque? I have no proof of their message. I don't have secret documents or recorded conversations. But I have ~30 years of life in America, and I know intolerant BS when I see it. This is that BS.

So go ahead and jump, dodge, duck and weave around what the pretty clear intent of the church's message is. The rest of us can see the obvious.

And why are so so hell-bent on defending these douches? It's not like I'm advocating getting rid of their tax-status or closing them down or even removing the crosses. All I'm doing is proclaiming that these people suck and should be ashamed. What is your big self-interest in defending such crappy people?
 
No.

You asked for some sort of "proof" of what their message to the Muslims is.

And I'm saying what do you expect? For them to come right out and say, yeah, we don't want these Muslims in our neighborhood and we oppose the mosque? I have no proof of their message. I don't have secret documents or recorded conversations. But I have ~30 years of life in America, and I know intolerant BS when I see it. This is that BS.

So go ahead and jump, dodge, duck and weave around what the pretty clear intent of the church's message is. The rest of us can see the obvious.


You are right, you have no proof. The mosque is 3-4 miles away from the church, so they are not in the same neighborhood
Baseless assumptions is what you have. If no one interviewed these church people no one would be speculating about the significance of 13 crosses on their property,those going to the mosque would have probably figured that is just something Christians in that part of town do.

And why are so so hell-bent on defending these douches? It's not like I'm advocating getting rid of their tax-status or closing them down or even removing the crosses. All I'm doing is proclaiming that these people suck and should be ashamed. What is your big self-interest in defending such crappy people?

These people put up crosses on church property,It does not make them douches. As far as you know they only doing this to make a statement that their religion is better Islam or that their faith is the one true faith .Many people who are actually religious feel that that way about their religion or religious denomination. I do not know about the churches in your city but churches have everything from bells, billboards, crosses and other stuff of their church property.
 
Got me wondering if the church down the street has any Crosses out front I just haven't noticed and who they are taunting if they do.

Keep in mind, if you read the article, there was more to it then just a bunch of crosses.

Reading the article very important BEFORE posting.
 
The intent is obvious by all the context outlined in the story.

Nothing is wrong with a Christian Church putting up a cross. In fact, I resent atheists activists who go around trying to get every religious symbol off public property.

But in this case, people (who call themselves Christian) are going out of their way to make life difficult for Muslims in their community. This type of behavior is not Christian.

I read the article. I understand that they are doing it in response to the mosque being built across the street. I simply don't understand how putting crosses in the yard of their church makes things difficult for the muslims in the community?

Now the article did mention that other things had been done to try to stop the mosque being built, some of them illegal. And I do disagree with that. But I really don't see with the issue is with putting the crosses up. At worst it's a peaceful, and passive protest. I think people are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill here.
 
I read the article. I understand that they are doing it in response to the mosque being built across the street. I simply don't understand how putting crosses in the yard of their church makes things difficult for the muslims in the community?

That was only part of what they were doing.

The multiple crosses were there as a taunt-- a blatant misuse of the a Holy symbol.
 
You are right, you have no proof. The mosque is 3-4 miles away from the church, so they are not in the same neighborhood
Baseless assumptions is what you have. If no one interviewed these church people no one would be speculating about the significance of 13 crosses on their property,those going to the mosque would have probably figured that is just something Christians in that part of town do.



These people put up crosses on church property,It does not make them douches. As far as you know they only doing this to make a statement that their religion is better Islam or that their faith is the one true faith .Many people who are actually religious feel that that way about their religion or religious denomination. I do not know about the churches in your city but churches have everything from bells, billboards, crosses and other stuff of their church property.

How stupid do those douche church members have to be to be "sending a message" by erecting crosses in their own front yard four miles away? How is their message whatever it is, going to get there?
 
You are right, you have no proof. Baseless assumptions is what you have.

Baseless assumption! No evidence whatsoever! Absolute zero.

Whatever James.

If no one interviewed these church people no one would be speculating about the significance of 13 crosses on their property,those going to the mosque would have probably figured that is just something Christians in that part of town do.

LOL

I don't think you understand how this sentence actually hurts your argument.
 
Keep in mind, if you read the article, there was more to it then just a bunch of crosses.

Reading the article very important BEFORE posting.

I read the minority of an article. Guilty as charged.:(
 
Baseless assumption! No evidence whatsoever! Absolute zero.

Whatever James.

Yes you have zilch.Why do you feel the need to bring up that you have no evidence?

LOL

I don't think you understand how this sentence actually hurts your argument.

How does it hurt my argument?Are you saying that if you drove past a church and saw some crosses on their lawn you would automatically think there is some ill motive behind those crosses that has to do with some other religious buildings miles down the road in some other part of town? No you wouldn't. The only reason you think there is ill motive with the church in the op is because the author of the article listed a bunch of unrelated **** that had nothing to do with the church like the vandalism and people suing to prevent the mosque from being built. The article leads you believe in the back of your mind that these things are connected and thus somehow convinced yourself that the church put those crosses up as a msnb dog whistle code for Mulsim go home or muslims not welcomed or some other **** that you think those crosses mean.
 
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Baseless assumption! No evidence whatsoever! Absolute zero.

Whatever James.



LOL

I don't think you understand how this sentence actually hurts your argument.


So the members of the church say they don't like their new neighbors. Isn't this America? Is there a law that says we have to like all the people that live in our city?
 
I read the article. I understand that they are doing it in response to the mosque being built across the street. I simply don't understand how putting crosses in the yard of their church makes things difficult for the muslims in the community?
Actually the churches and mosque are not across the street from each other. They are miles apart.
 
So the members of the church say they don't like their new neighbors. Isn't this America? Is there a law that says we have to like all the people that live in our city?

Only if they're non-white non-christian, it's perfectly OK to hate white christians though.
 
Actually the churches and mosque are not across the street from each other. They are miles apart.

Oh, I guess I didn't read closely enough. The building in the background of the picture looked kind of like a mosque though.
 
That was only part of what they were doing.

I acknowledged that, and already said I disagree with some of the other tactics that were used to try and stop the mosque from being built.

The multiple crosses were there as a taunt-- a blatant misuse of the a Holy symbol.

Okay, so? You mean some Christians occasionally act in un-christian ways? This is a surprise to you?
 
These threads always turn into a flame all Christians thread with a taste of flame all organized religion.
 
Is there a law that says we have to like all the people that live in our city?

Nope, just like there isn't a law that says you can't complain about douchebags like this so called "Christian Church" and their tactics.

Seems like you have a problem with people exercising their freedom of speech against this church.
 
Therefore...

1. This church, who voted to post up a bunch of crosses for the members of the mosque to see, are douchebags. Just because what they did is legal doesn't make it right or good.

2. On a wider scale, organized religion is a way for all manner of ****ty people to justify their ****ty behavior.

Yeah! They act as if they have the right to express themselves! On their own property, no less! The nerve!
 
Nope, just like there isn't a law that says you can't complain about douchebags like this so called "Christian Church" and their tactics.

Seems like you have a problem with people exercising their freedom of speech against this church.

No law, but by Libbo standards, this i bigotry. At least, that's what they would be screaming if criticism was leveled at a more politically correct religion.
 
is there some rule that says a liberal cant have faith in a religion.


No, but there is a strong belief amongst some that there is such a rule.

An example thereof:
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Most liberals tend to view religion no different than a harry potter book and that religion is something you should separate from your professional and political life.
 
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