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Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

RadicalModerate said:
FFS, james. How many times do I have to post this?

"It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity...we wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things.”

It's a message to "the muslims". Not just passersby. A specific group. Letting them know how the church feels about "things'. The "things" being the fact that the proposed mosque has been terrorized and has had unjust lawsuits brought against it in an attempt to halt the construction.

This idiotic, backwater inbred hick town doesn't think freedom of religion is in effect there and they don't want the mosque in their town. The church is just helping illustrate that. To the muslims. Directly.
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You are reading an awful lot into that quote that isn't there. There is no evidence that the church is in any way sanctioning the violence done to the mosque.
 
jamesrage said:
So in other words you two have nothing more than baseless speculations to support your claims. If you look at the article the church in the article and mosque in the article are not even close together nor are they even across the street or even in the same neighborhood.
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See also: nearly every single view right-wingers ascribe to Obama.
 
Deuce said:
See also: nearly every single view right-wingers ascribe to Obama.
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What does Obama have to do to with the OP story.
 
jamesrage said:
So in other words you two have nothing more than baseless speculations to support your claims. If you look at the article the church in the article and mosque in the article are not even close together nor are they even across the street or even in the same neighborhood.
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LOL!

James, you're pathetic. I just gave you the quote from the church member who said 100% directly it was a message TO THE MUSLIMS. But you ignore that and go off on what road is where.

The ****ing guy said it was a message to the Muslims.

This is now officially a waste of my time.
 
Fletch said:
You are reading an awful lot into that quote that isn't there. There is no evidence that the church is in any way sanctioning the violence done to the mosque.
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You're reading even more into what I've been saying. I never said the church condones the illegal actions taken against the mosque, did I? I said they clearly agree with the notion that the mosque isn't welcome in the town.
 
jamesrage said:
Then show me the quote in the article that exactly states their intentions behind putting up the 13 crosses.
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" ..“It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity,” said Mack Richards, aMiddle Tennessee Baptist Church member who built the crosses at the request of Grace Baptist member and friend Bobby Francis. “We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things.”
“That’s what the church voted to do,” said Francis, a member of Grace Baptist since the 1970s when it was on Dill Lane. ..."

The OP carried a direct quote from the church member who put up the crosses and from the church member who asked him to do so, who directly claimed that the church had voted on having the work done.
That's not speculation, that's the statements of the perpetrators. What evidence do you have that the reported statements of those involved are not accurate?
 
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Manc Skipper said:
" ..“It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity,” said Mack Richards, aMiddle Tennessee Baptist Church member who built the crosses at the request of Grace Baptist member and friend Bobby Francis. “We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things.”
“That’s what the church voted to do,” said Francis, a member of Grace Baptist since the 1970s when it was on Dill Lane. ..."

The OP carried a direct quote from the church member who put up the crosses and from the church member who asked him to do so, who directly claimed that the church had voted on having the work done.
That's not speculation, that's the statements of the perpetrators. What evidence do you have that the reported statements of those involved are not accurate?
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Perpetrators! Are you kidding me. It was a statement to the Muslims to let them know how they feel about their religion--Christianity. You guys keep quoting it but not reading it, apparently.
 
RadicalModerate said:
LOL!

James, you're pathetic. I just gave you the quote from the church member who said 100% directly it was a message TO THE MUSLIMS. But you ignore that and go off on what road is where.

The ****ing guy said it was a message to the Muslims.

This is now officially a waste of my time.
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And you have nothing but baseless accusations about what that message is.
 
Manc Skipper said:
" ..“It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity,” said Mack Richards, aMiddle Tennessee Baptist Church member who built the crosses at the request of Grace Baptist member and friend Bobby Francis. “We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things.”
“That’s what the church voted to do,” said Francis, a member of Grace Baptist since the 1970s when it was on Dill Lane. ..."

The OP carried a direct quote from the church member who put up the crosses and from the church member who asked him to do so, who directly claimed that the church had voted on having the work done.
That's not speculation, that's the statements of the perpetrators. What evidence do you have that the reported statements of those involved are not accurate?
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Not good enough! I want a sworn affidavit by every church member in town that they hate Muslims! I want every document notorized! I want witnesses! Dozens of 'em! I want their mothers on the stand, under oath, swearing on the Inerrant Truth of the Bible that the crosses are a message!

Anything short of that and you're just SPECULATING!!!
 
Manc Skipper said:
" ..“It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity,” said Mack Richards, aMiddle Tennessee Baptist Church member who built the crosses at the request of Grace Baptist member and friend Bobby Francis. “We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things.”
“That’s what the church voted to do,” said Francis, a member of Grace Baptist since the 1970s when it was on Dill Lane. ..."
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It looks like the church's message is "our religion is better than yours",which is something almost every person who is actually religious feels about their faith.

The OP carried a direct quote from the church member who put up the crosses and from the church member who asked him to do so, who directly claimed that the church had voted on having the work done.
That's not speculation, that's the statements of the perpetrators. What evidence do you have that the reported statements of those involved are not accurate?
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The speculation is what exactly were the intentions of those church members.They are speculating it is to intimidate when there is no evidence of this.
 
Manc Skipper said:
" ..“It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity,” said Mack Richards, aMiddle Tennessee Baptist Church member who built the crosses at the request of Grace Baptist member and friend Bobby Francis. “We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things.”
“That’s what the church voted to do,” said Francis, a member of Grace Baptist since the 1970s when it was on Dill Lane. ..."

The OP carried a direct quote from the church member who put up the crosses and from the church member who asked him to do so, who directly claimed that the church had voted on having the work done.
That's not speculation, that's the statements of the perpetrators. What evidence do you have that the reported statements of those involved are not accurate?
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Maybe it's cause I'm dumb or not religious, I just don't get what that means. What does 13 crosses in your yard mean you feel about Christianity? Is that a special number that means no Muslims or something? I get the idea that the explanation was clipped by the interviewer or something. Just seems like a pointless act. I would need to know more I guess before assuming it means "WE HATE MUSLIMS" or something similar.
 
RadicalModerate said:
Yup, totally. 100% baseless claims I'm making here. Just pulling stuff out of my butt. It's all made up. In fact, that's a phony article.
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The article is about a church that is 3-4 miles away from a mosque decided to put crosses on a church lawn.You are making it seem as though they are trying to intimidate Muslims,something more devious or that this is akin to burning crosses on black people's lawns.
 
hazlnut said:
What's next?

I believe next comes the story where someone at the Christian church has too much to drink and decides to throw a brink throw the window of the Mosque or paint something nasty on the side of the building.

The point is, we have to stop these 'Christian' behaving badly by calling them out.

Read my signature.
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Mighty assumptive of you.
 
Consider if you can, the reverse scenario. You are building a church down the street from a Mosque in a minly Muslim area, and a lot of your equipment is vandalised or set afire. Later that year the Mosque suddenly puts up 13 Crescent signs all along the front where you have to pass to go to church. What message are they sending to you?
 
Manc Skipper said:
Consider if you can, the reverse scenario. You are building a church down the street from a Mosque in a minly Muslim area, and a lot of your equipment is vandalised or set afire. Later that year the Mosque suddenly puts up 13 Crescent signs all along the front where you have to pass to go to church. What message are they sending to you?
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Does 13 crosses or 13 crescents mean anything?And how do you know if there is a correlation between the vandalism at your church and what a mosque 3-4 miles (4.82 km-6.437 km) away puts on their lawn or buildings?
 
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Manc Skipper said:
Consider if you can, the reverse scenario. You are building a church down the street from a Mosque in a minly Muslim area, and a lot of your equipment is vandalised or set afire. Later that year the Mosque suddenly puts up 13 Crescent signs all along the front where you have to pass to go to church. What message are they sending to you?
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Simply that their faith is very strong. :roll:
 
RadicalModerate said:
Simply that their faith is very strong. :roll:
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There is a religious university in my town that has a giant pair of hands praying, it must mean they hate British people.
 
When it's a mosque in NY city, it's a clear monument to the triumph over the infidels on 9/11, a throwback to the Muslim tradition of building mosques on conquered Christian lands. Obviously!

When it's Christians who say they're sending a message to local Muslims who want to build a mosque, then it's all "whoa whoa whoa, let's not jump to conclusions!"
 
Manc Skipper said:
Consider if you can, the reverse scenario. You are building a church down the street from a Mosque in a minly Muslim area, and a lot of your equipment is vandalised or set afire. Later that year the Mosque suddenly puts up 13 Crescent signs all along the front where you have to pass to go to church. What message are they sending to you?
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Their realtor got them a really good price on their spot since I HAVE to pass by it from 3 freakin miles away to go to church. Thats some location apparently. Besides that, if you have to resort to putting up bunches and bunches of symbols to show how strong your faith is to others, you are crossing into the idoltry thing, its kind of a no no. Just sayin.
 
RadicalModerate said:
Got a quote of anyone saying it's directed to British people? No?
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But look at it,obviously there is some hidden meaning behind it.
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The hands have been moved to another location on the campus
 
RadicalModerate said:
When it's a mosque in NY city, it's a clear monument to the triumph over the infidels on 9/11, a throwback to the Muslim tradition of building mosques on conquered Christian lands. Obviously!

When it's Christians who say they're sending a message to local Muslims who want to build a mosque, then it's all "whoa whoa whoa, let's not jump to conclusions!"
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I had no problem with a mosque being built close to or blocks away from where 911 happened.As a matter of fact I even made a poll to illustrate how silly some of these people are for saying there shouldn't be a mosque near there.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...hes-near-elementuaryschools-and-daycares.html
 
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