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    Re: Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

    These threads always turn into a flame all Christians thread with a taste of flame all organized religion.
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    Re: Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Is there a law that says we have to like all the people that live in our city?
    Nope, just like there isn't a law that says you can't complain about douchebags like this so called "Christian Church" and their tactics.

    Seems like you have a problem with people exercising their freedom of speech against this church.

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    Re: Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Therefore...

    1. This church, who voted to post up a bunch of crosses for the members of the mosque to see, are douchebags. Just because what they did is legal doesn't make it right or good.

    2. On a wider scale, organized religion is a way for all manner of ****ty people to justify their ****ty behavior.
    Yeah! They act as if they have the right to express themselves! On their own property, no less! The nerve!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Nope, just like there isn't a law that says you can't complain about douchebags like this so called "Christian Church" and their tactics.

    Seems like you have a problem with people exercising their freedom of speech against this church.
    No law, but by Libbo standards, this i bigotry. At least, that's what they would be screaming if criticism was leveled at a more politically correct religion.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    is there some rule that says a liberal cant have faith in a religion.

    No, but there is a strong belief amongst some that there is such a rule.

    An example thereof:
    jamesrage post #64
    Most liberals tend to view religion no different than a harry potter book and that religion is something you should separate from your professional and political life.
    Last edited by Somerville; 08-06-12 at 11:00 AM.
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    Re: Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Just because it isn't outwardly violent doesn't mean it isn't meant to be intimidating.

    It's clearly meant to show Muslims that this is a Christian area and that they better realize that they are a minority here.
    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Do you have any evidence of this are you just speculating?

    A long article from the local paper, The Tennessean, covers the problems that Muslims have faced and are continuing to deal with. Lots of bigotry and ignorance is revealed
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

    jamesrage has made seven posts in which he stated "the church is miles from the mosque", which is true for one of the two churches named in the OP but the other one is directly across the street from the new mosque as shown in the photograph that leads off the linked article

    from the article
    Grace Baptist moved into its current home of about 6,000 square feet two years ago and is currently served by interim pastor Dan Watts.

    The mosque next door has been the subject of intense scrutiny and debate in the past two years, including vandalism to its sign, a bomb threat, arson to construction equipment on site and a lawsuit to block its construction. Plaintiffs unsuccessfully argued in court that Islam is not a religion

    Funny how so many of "Christian Nation" proponents love to quote the Founding Fathers to support their views but they tend to do so rather selectively. An example of the type of writing you won't find in one of those "Christian Nation" pamphlets would be James Madison's
    A Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments. The following is paragraph 8

    Because the establishment in question is not necessary for the support of Civil Government. If it be urged as necessary for the support of Civil Government only as it is a means of supporting Religion, and it be not necessary for the latter purpose, it cannot be necessary for the former. If Religion be not within the cognizance of Civil Government how can its legal establishment be necessary to Civil Government? What influence in fact have ecclesiastical establishments had on Civil Society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the Civil authority; in many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny: in no instance have they been seen the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty, may have found an established Clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just Government instituted to secure & perpetuate it needs them not. Such a Government will be best supported by protecting every Citizen in the enjoyment of his Religion with the same equal hand which protects his person and his property; by neither invading the equal rights of any Sect, nor suffering any Sect to invade those of another.
    my emphasis

    A comment from the Library of Congress page, The Founding Fathers and Islam
    The Founders of this nation explicitly included Islam in their vision of the future of the republic. Freedom of religion, as they conceived it, encompassed it. Adherents of the faith were, with some exceptions, regarded as men and women who would make law-abiding, productive citizens. Far from fearing Islam, the Founders would have incorporated it into the fabric of American life.
    It is my opinion that far too many of those who adulate the Founding Fathers know very little about the type of society that was envisioned by those men, instead basing their beliefs on false history and ideology that provides 'support' for their bigotry and racism.
    Last edited by Somerville; 08-06-12 at 11:55 AM. Reason: spacing
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    Re: Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    A long article from the local paper, The Tennessean, covers the problems that Muslims have faced and are continuing to deal with. Lots of bigotry and ignorance is revealed
    None of that stuff has anything to do with the churches in the OP story.Unless you got some evidence that the church members whose churches are miles away from the mosque are the ones who vandalized the mosque and filed lawsuits to keep the mosque from being built
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    None of that stuff has anything to do with the churches in the OP story.Unless you got some evidence that the church members whose churches are miles away from the mosque are the ones who vandalized the mosque and filed lawsuits to keep the mosque from being built
    the eighth post with this claim about "miles away from the mosque"
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    jamesrage has made seven posts in which he stated "the church is miles from the mosque", which is true for one of the two churches named in the OP but the other one is directly across the street from the new mosque as shown in the photograph that leads off the linked article
    Mosque location
    862 middle Tennessee BLvd Murfreesboro Tn 37129 - Google Maps



    Location of the church that built the crosses
    706 Richard Road Murfreesboro, TN 37129 - Google Maps


    Location of the church where the 13 crosses are on.
    http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8...ed=0CG4Q_BIwAQ

    The location of the mosque and two churches in the OP story.Clearly none of these places are across the street from each other.
    Untitled.jpg
    Last edited by jamesrage; 08-06-12 at 12:08 PM.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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