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    Re: Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    When it's a mosque in NY city, it's a clear monument to the triumph over the infidels on 9/11, a throwback to the Muslim tradition of building mosques on conquered Christian lands. Obviously!

    When it's Christians who say they're sending a message to local Muslims who want to build a mosque, then it's all "whoa whoa whoa, let's not jump to conclusions!"
    Wait so radical Christians acting like buttheads is morally equivalent to radical muslims killing 3000 people? Not saying all muslims or all christians are the same but there arent very many radical Christians engaging in terrorism. Only notable exception in the last century was in the UK with Catholics and Protestants. HATE resorting to this argument but you brought the NYC Mosque into this clusterfark, not me.

    Btw the church...its already there. The situations are a little different. They are heightening the visibility of their symbols of their religion, but they are within their rights to do so. Stupid to do so with the stated purpose but within their rights to do it.

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    Re: Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    But look at it,obviously there is some hidden meaning behind it.
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    Well, I have a statement by the church saying it's a message to the Muslims in no uncertain terms.

    And honestly, James. What do you expect them to say to the media? "Yeah, we hate those towel-head terrorists and they don't deserve to be here"? Gimmie a break. Just admit they are being dicks to their Muslims neighbors so I can go back to cleaning my house.

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    Got me wondering if the church down the street has any Crosses out front I just haven't noticed and who they are taunting if they do.

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    Re: Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Well, I have a statement by the church saying it's a message to the Muslims in no uncertain terms.

    And honestly, James. What do you expect them to say to the media? "Yeah, we hate those towel-head terrorists and they don't deserve to be here"? Gimmie a break. Just admit they are being dicks to their Muslims neighbors so I can go back to cleaning my house.
    So is this more those MSNBC republican dog whistles? Crosses on a church lawn,especially a church law that is 3-4 miles away from a mosque is somehow MSNBC dog whistle code for "we hate muslims"?
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    Re: Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    That is true for some liberals, but not for many others. There is actually a large number of Christian liberals who view government as a vehicle for fulfilling the biblical commands to love thy neighbor and to be your brothers keeper. The welfare state, for them, is faith based and therefore moral. For them, the separation of church and state is mere rhetoric.
    I am of the more liberal persuasion who has this view. However, voting for one's moral beliefs is not a violation of the separation of church and state.

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    Re: Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So is this more those MSNBC republican dog whistles? Crosses on a church lawn,especially a church law that is 3-4 miles away from a mosque is somehow MSNBC dog whistle code for "we hate muslims"?
    No.

    You asked for some sort of "proof" of what their message to the Muslims is.

    And I'm saying what do you expect? For them to come right out and say, yeah, we don't want these Muslims in our neighborhood and we oppose the mosque? I have no proof of their message. I don't have secret documents or recorded conversations. But I have ~30 years of life in America, and I know intolerant BS when I see it. This is that BS.

    So go ahead and jump, dodge, duck and weave around what the pretty clear intent of the church's message is. The rest of us can see the obvious.

    And why are so so hell-bent on defending these douches? It's not like I'm advocating getting rid of their tax-status or closing them down or even removing the crosses. All I'm doing is proclaiming that these people suck and should be ashamed. What is your big self-interest in defending such crappy people?

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    Re: Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    No.

    You asked for some sort of "proof" of what their message to the Muslims is.

    And I'm saying what do you expect? For them to come right out and say, yeah, we don't want these Muslims in our neighborhood and we oppose the mosque? I have no proof of their message. I don't have secret documents or recorded conversations. But I have ~30 years of life in America, and I know intolerant BS when I see it. This is that BS.

    So go ahead and jump, dodge, duck and weave around what the pretty clear intent of the church's message is. The rest of us can see the obvious.

    You are right, you have no proof. The mosque is 3-4 miles away from the church, so they are not in the same neighborhood
    Baseless assumptions is what you have. If no one interviewed these church people no one would be speculating about the significance of 13 crosses on their property,those going to the mosque would have probably figured that is just something Christians in that part of town do.

    And why are so so hell-bent on defending these douches? It's not like I'm advocating getting rid of their tax-status or closing them down or even removing the crosses. All I'm doing is proclaiming that these people suck and should be ashamed. What is your big self-interest in defending such crappy people?
    These people put up crosses on church property,It does not make them douches. As far as you know they only doing this to make a statement that their religion is better Islam or that their faith is the one true faith .Many people who are actually religious feel that that way about their religion or religious denomination. I do not know about the churches in your city but churches have everything from bells, billboards, crosses and other stuff of their church property.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Truckstop View Post
    Got me wondering if the church down the street has any Crosses out front I just haven't noticed and who they are taunting if they do.
    Keep in mind, if you read the article, there was more to it then just a bunch of crosses.

    Reading the article very important BEFORE posting.

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    Re: Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    The intent is obvious by all the context outlined in the story.

    Nothing is wrong with a Christian Church putting up a cross. In fact, I resent atheists activists who go around trying to get every religious symbol off public property.

    But in this case, people (who call themselves Christian) are going out of their way to make life difficult for Muslims in their community. This type of behavior is not Christian.
    I read the article. I understand that they are doing it in response to the mosque being built across the street. I simply don't understand how putting crosses in the yard of their church makes things difficult for the muslims in the community?

    Now the article did mention that other things had been done to try to stop the mosque being built, some of them illegal. And I do disagree with that. But I really don't see with the issue is with putting the crosses up. At worst it's a peaceful, and passive protest. I think people are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill here.
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    Re: Murfreesboro church's crosses offer message to Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I read the article. I understand that they are doing it in response to the mosque being built across the street. I simply don't understand how putting crosses in the yard of their church makes things difficult for the muslims in the community?
    That was only part of what they were doing.

    The multiple crosses were there as a taunt-- a blatant misuse of the a Holy symbol.

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