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    Re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

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    Yes. But you're still in denial when you claim that the GOP shouldn't be lumped in with white supremacists like the shooter.

    The truth is that people like Palin, Bachmann, etc. help create an environment that fuels the kind of hatred that leads to shootings like this by spreading a Cinderella-like story to their followers that paints the world as being divided into easily identifiable good and bad sides. In this (childish) world view, the good people are White Christians, and the bad people are Muslims, Asians, immigrants etc. who are morally inferior to the White Christians and who are attempting to destroy/invade America, a country that (they claim) belongs to the White Christians.

    These pols do this because they know their followers are idiots who already hold similar prejudices, and know that they can easily exploit their ethnocentrism to win elections. Why talk about issues when you can play the race/culture card? That's the GOP tactic, and it always works to win elections. . .

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    Re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Of course it does. It's like Islam or Christianity. Neither religion causes violence. What causes violence is how an individual interprets the words of those religions. Same for anything.
    Lol, neither religion causes violence unless god himself is telling them to cause violence. Which he seems to regularly do. Both in the books and modern life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lol, neither religion causes violence unless god himself is telling them to cause violence. Which he seems to regularly do. Both in the books and modern life.
    And since not everyone who reads those words interprets them that way, we know that it's not religion that causes violence.
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    Re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

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    Pat Robertson is an idiot.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And since not everyone who reads those words interprets them that way, we know that it's not religion that causes violence.
    Ah, so when god tells people to kill in the bible/torah/quran, he's not really telling people to kill, he's telling them to carry out another action which just so happens to be phonetically related to "killing". You're playing that game where you avoid the fact that religion through its books, the actions of its deities and even "interpretations" etc has in fact caused people to kill. Whether it be through the delusion of grandeur that comes with divine commandment or or the foundational teachings (which you seem to ignore in your apologetics) is irrelevant.

    It's odd that you avoid examining the teachings of these religions. You know, where "god" himself is speaking to people and telling them what to do. I wonder why that is? Maybe it's because if you did you'd have no choice but to admit that religion is by its own actions, books and teachings - and not your semantics games - inherently violent.
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    Re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I can't stand it, neither side will let a "good tragedy" go to wast. It's always prefaced with "my thoughts and prayers are for the victims and families, but...." as if pretending to be "outraged" or "sympathetic" towards the victims makes it ok to politicize something and try to use something horrible for political gain.

    I agree with ya...I just dont know how you can hate anyone that bad that you dont know...Ive seen it so many times...but I still cant get my head around it.....I read this guy played in a hate band....what is a hate band?

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    Re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    Umm, how is it our fault? We have no reason to shoot up a holy sight. Christians, maybe, but not us Atheist.
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    Re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ah, so when god tells people to kill in the bible/torah/quran, he's not really telling people to kill, he's telling them to carry out another action which just so happens to be phonetically related to "killing". You're playing that game where you avoid the fact that religion through its books, the actions of its deities and even "interpretations" etc has in fact caused people to kill. Whether it be through the delusion of grandeur that comes with divine commandment or or the foundational teachings (which you seem to ignore in your apologetics) is irrelevant.

    It's odd that you avoid examining the teachings of these religions. You know, where "god" himself is speaking to people and telling them what to do. I wonder why that is? Maybe it's because if you did you'd have no choice but to admit that religion is by its own actions, books and teachings - and not your semantics games - inherently violent.
    You're just playing the "religion is bad" card, nothing else. There are many interpretations of what the bible says. I'm pretty religious and I don't think that God has commanded me to kill... nor do anyone else I know who's religious. I, and most people I know are biblical literalists. Nor are the vast majority of folks. If you want to look at things in a black and white literal sense, that's on you, but since you are not religious at all, your opinion on how folks who ARE religious interpret the bible really doesn't matter.
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    Re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie1 View Post
    OMG, another month, another crazed shooter! And this time he picks a temple of peaceful Sikhs. Wanted to shoot people with turbins... He may have been mad because the army kicked him out before he could get to Afghanistan. The heat wave is really bringing them out this summer. When will it end?
    It will not end. It will continue and we will see these sorts of things periodically in America.

    It is part of the price we pay for having well over 100 million guns and their easy availability. That is not a statement against guns, gun owners or the Second Amendment. It is a simple observation of the reality we live with.

    It will not end.
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