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    re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    Could be wrong, but I have the impression that the Sikh community feels very well-accepted in the United States.
    They are a good people but their turbans have meant they have been attacked in the UK and US by some who thought they were muslims. Apparently however there have been problems for over a year in the Oak Creek area for the Sikh community.

    Satwant Singh Kaleka, president of the Sikh Temple, requested the meeting after the July 4 melee in Milwaukee's Riverwest neighborhood, according to a news release from Zepnick's office. Those incidents included the looting of at least one Sikh-owned business.
    Singh Kaleka told local officials that what was seen in Riverwest has become too common at gas stations and convenience stores owned by members of the Sikh community. Many businesses and workers have been the victims of robberies and vandalism, he said. Oak Creek Patch, August 2011
    This event today "may" be related to incidents over the last 12-18 months.

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    re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    America is made a better place by Sikhs, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists.
    America will be torn apart by the presence of Sikhs, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists.
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    re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yes but sometimes, things that are perceived or accused of being "racist" aren't actually racist.

    Goldwater not supporting the Civil Rights Act, was considered racist by many, but his stated reasoning for not supporting it, were clearly not racist.
    Was his position racist or wasn't it?
    That's an interesting question. If somebody supports a racist position for non-racist reasons, are they acting in a racist way? I would say yes. Racism isn't just an evil intention, it is acts that oppress racial groups. Some people commit those acts because they're just evil people who like hurting others, but far more common are situations where people commit them because they haven't been introspective enough, they haven't thought things through far enough, they didn't bother putting themselves in the other guys' shoes, etc. That's the core issue we need to fix as a society. Moreso than the intentional overt racism. People have a moral obligation to consider how things affect others and to continually try to improve themselves. Not doing so does not excuse the person who commits a racist act.

    Besides, we can't read people's minds and IMO we shouldn't even be trying. Better to evaluate based on external manifestations, not speculation about what people are thinking.
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    re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Not today.

    And when they talk about the many attacks they suffered because they were mistaken for Muslims--breaks your heart for both them and Muslims. So much ignorance still in our society.

    Both cultures have so much to offer us and teach us--America is made a better place by Sikhs, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists.
    What about Christians?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Then explain how they supported many of the same policies?
    You are begging the question now, I am not sure on a percent basis how much their ideologies had in common. This is getting into "judging a book" territory.
    Just because they were racist, doesn't mean they weren't left in nature.
    Who said they WERE?

    What made them right wing?
    Their IDEOLOGY, they held to many socially conservative principles, and some very racist ones too.
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    re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The idea that you can be bigoted against a political ideology is silly. Sure, in the broadest possible dictionary definition of "bigotry", maybe that could be true.
    wow, just wow. See how the brainwashing progresses.
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    re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Not today.

    And when they talk about the many attacks they suffered because they were mistaken for Muslims--breaks your heart for both them and Muslims. So much ignorance still in our society.

    Both cultures have so much to offer us and teach us--America is made a better place by Sikhs, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists.
    All hate crimes are saddening. Crazy that jews are targets at something like 10x the rate of these groups. Heartbreaking.

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    re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    It was a stance held by racists, he used it to try and gather Southern votes. I'm not sure how racist he was then, but I do know many of his views became much more liberal as he aged.
    Just because racists hold a view, doesn't mean all people who hold a similar view, are racist.
    That's stuff for absolution.

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    Buckley was a racist, he believed early on in the superiority of whites and it was reflected in his writings, which were the basis of the modern US RW ideology...but even he came to regret those views that he held.
    I don't doubt for one second, that conservatives have harbored racists.
    I'm just saying that racism is not inherently right wing.
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    re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    My heart goes out to the victims, my spite goes out to the perp, my admiration goes out to the police officers who acted quickly. My vomit goes out to those whose very first posts were to politicize this.
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    re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    One thing we learned from the theater shooting in Colorado that it will be a couple days for we have enough information to make any opinion.

    I will go out on a limb here and predict the killer was a cowardly underachiever.
    Another underachieving neuroscientist student?
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