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    re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    To stop tolerating right wing hate across the board. No more presidential candidates giving speeches about how Jews are culturally superior to Palestinians, no more saying that you're going to go the NAACP to tell them to get off the food stamps, no more calling gay people "perverts", no more banning cultural studies course, no more Glenn Beck, no more Rush Limbaugh, no more movements to ban the construction of mosques, no more ranting about "islamofascists", etc.
    Thank god you didn't say "no more bigotry"...you would've ended up calling for the end of yourself

    Horrible situation yet again. Like Colorado, my heart goes out to the victim. If it turns out that it's motivated by religious/racial reasons it becomes even sadder as it'll likely hightlight the further ignorance of the shooter in thinking sikhs = muslims when it's decidingly different

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    re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The problem is, that what may be perceived as racist, isn't always racism.
    Well, that is generally more nonsense.
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    How so?
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    Um...because a racist act is caused by racism, the application of a racist ideology.

    I can't wait for more semantic magic that will probably follow...
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    re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Thank god you didn't say "no more bigotry"...you would've ended up calling for the end of yourself
    The idea that you can be bigoted against a political ideology is silly. Sure, in the broadest possible dictionary definition of "bigotry", maybe that could be true. But not in any meaningful or important sense. Real bigotry is about demographic groups, not political ideologies. You can hate political ideologies. It doesn't even make sense not to, since some of them directly contradict one another in fundamental ways....

    This whole thing lately where the right is trying to confuse the concept of bigotry to include everything under the sun is just a lame attempt to divert attention from real bigotry. Nobody is falling for it.
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    re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Um...because a racist act is caused by racism, the application of a racist ideology.

    I can't wait for more semantic magic that will probably follow...
    Yes but sometimes, things that are perceived or accused of being "racist" aren't actually racist.

    Goldwater not supporting the Civil Rights Act, was considered racist by many, but his stated reasoning for not supporting it, were clearly not racist.
    Was his position racist or wasn't it?
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    re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    So you try to separate groups (that were ideologically similar) based on geography, rather than say, sometimes, left wing groups can be racist.
    Uh...the point is that the split was based on ideology, many in the north did not support slavery that those in the south did, and that ideological spit showed itself as recently as the Civil Rights voting.

    Further....please don't insinuate that Southern Dem, because they were dems, were somehow a left wing group.
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    re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Another month. Another mass killing. Well, at least its not weekly.


    Yet.

    I guess the nice thing is lots of posters can just go to current gun threads and copy their posts without burning too many brain cells. Lets see now

    *** no gun zones kill people
    *** a few crazy people should not spoil it for everyone else
    *** its not the guns
    *** the Founding Fathers wanted it this way
    *** mental illness is the culprit

    Did I miss anything?
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    re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Another month. Another mass killing. Well, at least its not weekly.


    Yet.

    I guess the nice thing is lots of posters can just go to current gun threads and copy their posts without burning too many brain cells. Lets see now

    *** no gun zones kill people
    *** a few crazy people should not spoil it for everyone else
    *** its not the guns
    *** the Founding Fathers wanted it this way
    *** mental illness is the culprit

    Did I miss anything?

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    re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Uh...the point is that the split was based on ideology, many in the north did not support slavery that those in the south did, and that ideological spit showed itself as recently as the Civil Rights voting.

    Further....please don't insinuate that Southern Dem, because they were dems, were somehow a left wing group.
    Then explain how they supported many of the same policies?
    Just because they were racist, doesn't mean they weren't left in nature.

    What made them right wing?
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    re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    Could be wrong, but I have the impression that the Sikh community feels very well-accepted in the United States.
    Not today.

    And when they talk about the many attacks they suffered because they were mistaken for Muslims--breaks your heart for both them and Muslims. So much ignorance still in our society.

    Both cultures have so much to offer us and teach us--America is made a better place by Sikhs, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists.

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    re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yes but sometimes, things that are perceived or accused of being "racist" aren't actually racist.

    Goldwater not supporting the Civil Rights Act, was considered racist by many, but his stated reasoning for not supporting it, were clearly not racist.
    Was his position racist or wasn't it?
    It was a stance held by racists, he used it to try and gather Southern votes. I'm not sure how racist he was then, but I do know many of his views became much more liberal as he aged.

    Edit: Holding to conservative "states rights" ideas to the point of allowing state sponsored racism might not be racism, but sure give license to it.

    Buckley was a racist, he believed early on in the superiority of whites and it was reflected in his writings, which were the basis of the modern US RW ideology...but even he came to regret those views that he held.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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