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    re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Now you are creating a non sequitur, my comment had nothing to do with inherent racism of ideologies.

    You can keep on with these absolutely ridiculous posts.....but this is just beyond belief.
    You said,
    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    As I already pointed out RW Authoritarianism DOES trend towards racist behavior/ideas, you might be trying to apply absolutes to diminish an argument.
    Typically, any kind of authoritarianism does this and left wing groups can be just as prone to it as anyone else.
    The fact is here, that people are automatically calling racism and ethnocentrism as right wing.

    It gets automatically assigned to the right of the political spectrum, when any group can pick up these ideologies and use them in their cause.
    The constant and incessant assumption that racism = right wing is wrong.
    We have many examples of left wing groups espousing racist beliefs.
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    re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I'm not really following this argument too well. What message are you trying to make about modern politics based on the positions and attitudes of the Jacksonian democrats?

    And secondly, what has it got to do with the shooting of Sikhs in their gurduwara?

    Nothing to do with it... the thread got hijacked by haters of various stripes.

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    re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't actually believe that because some progressives were racist 100 years ago, that they're racist today.
    It's just fallacious to say that ethno/racial centrism is automatically right wing.
    Anyone who says that ethnicity is RW doesn't make make any sense, they are incongruous.



    Even if liberals support the same things today?
    There you go AGAIN with a absolutism.

    FFS.
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    re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Repeating an already failed deflection: Poor tactics.
    Actually, it worked. You responded to my points the second time around.

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    A "political ideology" consists of what? People. Can you be bigoted against people? For whatever reason? Yes you can, if your negative beliefs towards them are irrational and based on ignorance, bias, assumptions and stereotypes... as your attitude about "the right" is.
    No, a political ideology is not a group of people, it is a set of beliefs. The people who support those beliefs come and go. Beliefs can be good or bad, so fighting against an ideology can be good or bad as well. The reason that bigotry is bad is because members of a demographic group did nothing to choose to be in that group and do not have the choice to leave. So it is just pointless malice. Hatred of a political ideology is not pointless. If you beat down bad ideologies, the world becomes a better place and you free the people afflicted with it to go on and lead productive lives.
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    re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I'm not really following this argument too well. What message are you trying to make about modern politics based on the positions and attitudes of the Jacksonian democrats?
    Some people here believe that racism is automatically right wing.
    When there are many instances of left wing groups espousing racism.

    It's an example.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    And secondly, what has it got to do with the shooting of Sikhs in their gurduwara?
    Nothing, except that someone decided to start crapping on this thread by accusing right wing people of being racist, hate mongers.
    In a manner of speaking.
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    re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Incorrect.
    Ethno/racial centrism is not automatic for any political ideology.
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    re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Anyone who says that ethnicity is RW doesn't make make any sense, they are incongruous.
    Not ethnicity, ethno centrism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    There you go AGAIN with a absolutism.

    FFS.
    I'm not being absolutist.
    I'm merely stating that if a modern group, generally believes many/most of the same things of groups in years past, that makes it comparable to a modern group.
    The can be identified together.

    I do not believe most modern liberals or left wing groups are racist, I'm just saying that there have been racist liberals and left wing groups.
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    re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Actually, it worked. You responded to my points the second time around.



    No, a political ideology is not a group of people, it is a set of beliefs. The people who support those beliefs come and go. Beliefs can be good or bad, so fighting against an ideology can be good or bad as well. The reason that bigotry is bad is because members of a demographic group did nothing to choose to be in that group and do not have the choice to leave. So it is just pointless malice. Hatred of a political ideology is not pointless. If you beat down bad ideologies, the world becomes a better place and you free the people afflicted with it to go on and lead productive lives.

    Bud, you're a hater like any other hater, you just selected a politically-correct target.

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    re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You said,


    Typically, any kind of authoritarianism does this and left wing groups can be just as prone to it as anyone else.
    The fact is here, that people are automatically calling racism and ethnocentrism as right wing.
    It gets automatically assigned to the right of the political spectrum, when any group can pick up these ideologies and use them in their cause.
    The constant and incessant assumption that racism = right wing is wrong.
    We have many examples of left wing groups espousing racist beliefs.
    Uh...i think the point SOME might be making is that in the US, the RW is primarily made up of white conservatives ....who tend towards racism, especially compared to US liberals. I can't believe that is a problem for you to understand.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Outside Milwaukee [W:211]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Uh...i think the point SOME might be making is that in the US, the RW is primarily made up of white conservatives ....who tend towards racism, especially compared to US liberals. I can't believe that is a problem for you to understand.
    The problem is, that what may be perceived as racist, isn't always racism.
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