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Viral video of man picking on Chick-fil-A worker gets him fired

apdst said:
Umm...no! Society doesn't dictate how I think. That's political correctness, my man, and political correctness is the biggest attack on freedom of expression that we've ever faced.
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social cohesion is a necessary component of a society that does not fail after a short while. It is necessary for a culture to have things like a common mythology, ideology, and idea of history. This is probably one of the biggest reasons for the decline of the US.
 
apdst said:
That's a stupid comparison. Are you saying that gay marriage is remotely related to ****ing babies?
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Not beyond the opinion being offensive. I just chose one that was far more offensive to make my point. Would you shop at a business where the owner publicly advocated for ****ing babies? What about one who was pro-abortion?
 
megaprogman said:
you said if people face consequences, free speech is violated. now you are being inconsistent.
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Well, a certain amount of common sense has to prevail. Sorry if you can't comprehend that.

What do I mean, you're probably thinking? Screwing babies? Uh, yeah, it's illegal. A common sense moment there for ya'.
 
apdst said:
Well, a certain amount of common sense has to prevail. Sorry if you can't comprehend that.

What do I mean, you're probably thinking? Screwing babies? Uh, yeah, it's illegal. A common sense moment there for ya'.
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dodge my point I see.
 
megaprogman said:
We crossed that line a long time ago. There is a reason businesses have been employing psychologists in their advertising campaigns. They take advantage of us by knowing our flaws and have been doing so for a long while now.
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I know dude. But allowing it in the past by no means implies we must allow it now. I think in the past while they could do it, it was expensive, slow and cumbersome. That's not true anymore, and the amount you can get and the speed you can get it in....it's exploded. It's too much, but I want my tech. So government must be further restricted and so must business. Anything business related is related to business, but outside that...we have aggregated information transference and storage to such a level that it now warrants restriction on business as well.
 
Ikari said:
In this case, no. For you are just running your mouth, but his response would be assault. You should be free to do as you like so long as you do not infringe upon the rights of others in the process.
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While I agree its assault....... my post was more focused on the "fear-reprisal" part of the equation.... Maybe I used a bad example....
 
megaprogman said:
He could also say "get out of my store" and in adpst's view that would be a violation of his speech rights because being kicked out of a store would be a consequence.
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This would be a better example. Thanks.
 
Ikari said:
Naw, that's property rights. And in many cases so is the boss for firing the individual. It's a tough call cause you can see abuse either way. Though the same is true with government in general, yes?

The datamining, the surveillance, etc. which exists now....it's getting to obscene levels and will only get worse. I fear that we could all become defacto slaves here because of the sins brought by technology. And on that front, I'd rather cut this off at the pass. There are behavioral expectations and other limitations to employment, but we really are getting to a point in which we no longer have personal lives, and at that point you're as good a slave.

I don't know, I think on some level this is why everything should be performance base. Don't care what you do on your time, so long as that on my time you are the best there is. And of course even that has limitations.
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Don't use this type of technology to allow the whole world to see what you do then.

Any time you do something and post it on youtube, its freely available to anyone.

If this video was posted in a more private method, thats a different story in my opinion. The fact that he put it out there like, "HELLO WORLD LOOK AT ME THE BIG DOUCHE BAG!!!" removes his expectation of privacy.
 
Ikari said:
I do agree on many levels, and I think self regulation is a proper means through which we can eliminate government coercion. But I just see the level of Social Brother (right, not even Big Brother) surveillance into our lives and if anyone messes up, even once, then it will have life destroying consequences. But it really does feel as if we are getting to a point that because of the tech we have, and the databasing, and the searching algorithms that it is becoming harder and harder to be an individual. And that is not a good thing.
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This has nothing to do with the topic.........Are you confused?
 
apdst said:
We might have to agree to disagree, my brother.



But, that's not what happened. This cat simply expressed his disagreement with Chick Filet's managment's public opinion on gay marriage. Is he an asshole? Sure, but there is nothing in the criminal code that makes being as asshole a crime.

This dude shouldn't be punished for expressing his opinion, just like Chick Filet shouldn't be boycotted because it's managment expressed it's opinion.
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There is nothing dealing with criminal code in his firing.

This is a civil matter between his employer and him, and not subject to government amendments.
 
apdst said:
I didn't dodge anything. You can't challenge my point, so you make accusations.
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Yes, I very much did make an accusation of you dodging my point about your inane idea about how free speech should work. Society should very much have a say in regulating itself or else it will fall apart. Tribalism is a necessary component of any functioning society and tribalism needs some basic groundwork to function, one of those is shared mythology. Like I said, this is probably the primary reason the US is falling apart. If the country were solely liberal or solely conservative, it would function great, but with two major warring factions, it does not work so well.

If people just went off and did their own thing, we would not have a society that actually did its job for humanity. This is basic sociology dude.
 
apdst said:
I don't disagree that this guy's employer doesn't have the right to fire him. I question whether, or not, it's right to fire him, over this.

He showed his ass in public. I mean, so what? Have you ever showed your ass in public?
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He showed his ass in public and then, basically, bragged about it to the world... that is different.
 
Caine said:
This has nothing to do with the topic.........Are you confused?
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I was having a conversation with Mega and that post was a direct response to him.............Are you stupid?
 
All I know is I signed a contract that stated I am a representative of company (I work for part time) and reflect on the company.

He did not think this through. Considering I live in an at will state, glad that pompous jerk got fired.
 
muciti said:
Yes really. I wouldnt want my company associated with someone like that who published his video online.
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Me either. I have a right to have professional people who do not cause public disturbances. (I do not own a company) but if I did and my employees were causing public disturbances, I would can their asses immediately.
 
apdst said:
You believe in being sorta free? The government can't ruin your life, but someone else can? That's not freedom.
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Keep in mind the government did not fire him. Part of freedom is my freedom to fire a jackass I don't want working for me. Government control over who works for me and why I can fire them is less free than some guy being held accountable for his actions.
 
megaprogman said:
social cohesion is a necessary component of a society that does not fail after a short while. It is necessary for a culture to have things like a common mythology, ideology, and idea of history. This is probably one of the biggest reasons for the decline of the US.
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That sounds like something straight out of the Ku Klux Klown handbook.
 
muciti said:
Keep in mind the government did not fire him. Part of freedom is my freedom to fire a jackass I don't want working for me. Government control over who works for me and why I can fire them is less free than some guy being held accountable for his actions.
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But, is that the right thing to do? Is it the right thing to do, to take away someone's livelyhood over something this inocuous?

I wouldn't fire someone for expressing a political opinion, either on the job, or off the job.

And, no, you can't just up-n-fire someone for being a jackass...you don't have that right.
 
apdst said:
But, is that the right thing to do? Is it the right thing to do, to take away someone's livelyhood over something this inocuous?

I wouldn't fire someone for expressing a political opinion, either on the job, or off the job.

And, no, you can't just up-n-fire someone for being a jackass...you don't have that right.
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Until your company starts loosing money because of said asshole.

Oh yes they can in states that are "at will." You can be fired for anything but discrimination like sex or race. Lets say you smoke and get fired just because you smoke. Under "at will" this is acceptable. You can't sue them or anything else. All you can do is collect unemployment or find a new job.

And yes I think anyone that disparages the company and it's reputation needs to go.
 
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apdst said:
But, is that the right thing to do? Is it the right thing to do, to take away someone's livelyhood over something this inocuous?

I wouldn't fire someone for expressing a political opinion, either on the job, or off the job.

And, no, you can't just up-n-fire someone for being a jackass...you don't have that right.
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yes you do.

And if you no longer want that person in your employ then it is the right thing to do.
 
muciti said:
yes you do.

And if you no longer want that person in your employ then it is the right thing to do.
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No, you don't. I hope you don't find yourself in a very expensive wrongful termination suit one day.
 
muciti said:
Keep in mind the government did not fire him. Part of freedom is my freedom to fire a jackass I don't want working for me. Government control over who works for me and why I can fire them is less free than some guy being held accountable for his actions.
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Freedom of speech is a civil right. There are laws against violating someone's civil rights. Unless this cat violated mpany policy, he can't be fired for showing his ass.
 
megaprogman said:
Yes, I very much did make an accusation of you dodging my point about your inane idea about how free speech should work. Society should very much have a say in regulating itself or else it will fall apart. Tribalism is a necessary component of any functioning society and tribalism needs some basic groundwork to function, one of those is shared mythology. Like I said, this is probably the primary reason the US is falling apart. If the country were solely liberal or solely conservative, it would function great, but with two major warring factions, it does not work so well.

If people just went off and did their own thing, we would not have a society that actually did its job for humanity. This is basic sociology dude.
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You're all for that, until that societal regulation goes against something you agree with. Jim Crow was society regulating itself. White only bathrooms was society regulating itself. Gay marriage laws are society regulating itself. See the slippery slope you've created?
 
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