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Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

Conservative said:
According to Obama, yep, expected him to keep his promises but knew he couldn't because his resume didn't justify the job. Zero leadership skills led to the results we have today and a one term President
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Conservative said:
GOP couldn't stop it, impeachment begins in the House. Democrats didn't move forward because they wanted the issue not their quotes about the war put into public. You really have been brainwashed.
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LOL....you are arguing with yourself....too funny!
 
Gimmesometruth said:
I already showed you that this is not a true statement, many of those unemployed will vote for the President. They are not going to vote for a candidate and party whose platform will INCREASE unemployment.
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That means they will not vote for Obama, do you not know that the unemployment rate is higher now than when Obama took office. Obama has INCREASED unemployment.
 
Conservative said:
Don't expect an answer because you won't find one. Amazing how Bush with a Democrat controlled Congress created the problems all by himself but Obama with a Democrat controlled Congress couldn't generate better results after spending over a trillion dollars and adding 5.4 trillion to the debt.
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Oh my god...it gets better....I DID ANSWER HIM......with YOUR OWN STATEMENTS.

LOL!
 
Gimmesometruth said:
I already showed you that this is not a true statement, many of those unemployed will vote for the President. They are not going to vote for a candidate and party whose platform will INCREASE unemployment.
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Your opinion noted and you are right, they aren't going to vote for someone who has increased unemployment at a cost of over a trillion dollars and that would be Obama
 
Conservative said:
According to Obama, yep, expected him to keep his promises but knew he couldn't because his resume didn't justify the job. Zero leadership skills led to the results we have today and a one term President
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Is this where your dive off into your preteremined narritive and skip what has been said? Try to focus on what I said. I'll repeat it for so you don't have to go back.

Yeah, times got rough, real rough. And that damage was done before Obama took office. Did you think they would swear him in and the sun would shine, robins would sing and all problems woudl vanish? No preident created these problems and none can make them better. It will take time and a lot of work from a lot of people, including you and me and the private sector. But government does not and can not control the economy without taking control. If you want the government to, lobby for that and help us beciome China (who don't have much for regulations). If you don't, quit whining that government hasn't fixed this problem.
 
Boo Radley said:
Is this where your dive off into your preteremined narritive and skip what has been said? Try to focus on what I said. I'll repeat it for so you don't have to go back.

Yeah, times got rough, real rough. And that damage was done before Obama took office. Did you think they would swear him in and the sun would shine, robins would sing and all problems woudl vanish? No preident created these problems and none can make them better. It will take time and a lot of work from a lot of people, including you and me and the private sector. But government does not and can not control the economy without taking control. If you want the government to, lobby for that and help us beciome China (who don't have much for regulations). If you don't, quit whining that government hasn't fixed this problem.
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Your opinion noted, the President sets the tone and demonizing individual wealth creation as well as promoting class warfare claiming the rich aren't paying their fair share doesn't set the positive tone necessary to lead anything positively. The Govt. isn't expected to fix the problem only provide the atmosphere for the private sector to do it. You believe Obama supports the private sector and individual responsibility? The "You didn't build that" President is a total and complete failure just like his resume said he would be.
 
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Conservative said:
No, waiting for the policies that Bush implemented that created a recession in December 2007?
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"Bush is responsible for the results" , "that is the responsibility of the Bush economic policies."
 
Gimmesometruth said:
"Bush is responsible for the results" , "that is the responsibility of the Bush economic policies."
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And what economic policies would those be? You cannot not even get the quote right as you seem to seek attention by again diverting from the thread topic. Unfortunately I fell for it again but not any more. Unemployment is up Since Obama took office and discouraged workers are up as well. He sets the tone and is a disaster.
 
Conservative said:
Your opinion noted, the President sets the tone and demonizing individual wealth creation as well as promoting class warfare claiming the rich aren't paying their fair share doesn't set the positive tone necessary to lead anything positively. The Govt. isn't expected to fix the problem only provide the atmosphere for the private sector to do it. You believe Obama supports the private sector and individual responsibility? The "You didn't build that" President is a total and complete failure just like his resume said he would be.
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You just running off with unsupported predetermiend narratives isn't equal to godd sound supported reasoning. Whenever you get stuck, you seem to go into these rants. try addressing the points made. Just a suggestion. :coffeepap
 
Boo Radley said:
You just running off with unsupported predetermiend narratives isn't equal to godd sound supported reasoning. Whenever you get stuck, you seem to go into these rants. try addressing the points made. Just a suggestion. :coffeepap
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I responded to your post, you don't like the response, then tough, ignore it just like ignore actual data
 
Boo Radley said:
NO, you went off on an unrelated rant.
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No, here is your post, suggest you read what you posted

Yeah, times got rough, real rough. And that damage was done before Obama took office. Did you think they would swear him in and the sun would shine, robins would sing and all problems woudl vanish? No preident created these problems and none can make them better. It will take time and a lot of work from a lot of people, including you and me and the private sector. But government does not and can not control the economy without taking control. If you want the government to, lobby for that and help us beciome China (who don't have much for regulations). If you don't, quit whining that government hasn't fixed this problem.
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You seem to not understand that I don't expect the President to fix the problem but I expect the President to set a positive tone and promote a positive agenda and this administration has been a failure. He has zero leadership skills and the results reflect his resume. You bought the rhetoric and ignored the resume. We are getting exactly what his resume showed. Maybe next time you will pay more attention to the resume
 
Conservative said:
No, here is your post, suggest you read what you posted



You seem to not understand that I don't expect the President to fix the problem but I expect the President to set a positive tone and promote a positive agenda and this administration has been a failure. He has zero leadership skills and the results reflect his resume. You bought the rhetoric and ignored the resume. We are getting exactly what his resume showed. Maybe next time you will pay more attention to the resume
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No, you complain about the results, repeatedly. As for tone? The real tone others outside of partisans hear, or the one you and other partisans pretend to hear? Which one are we talking about? And do you really think business moves based on the president's tone?
 
Conservative said:
No, waiting for the policies that Bush implemented that created a recession in December 2007?
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Bush kickstarted the subprime housing bubble in 2002 with his sale of $440 Billion in subprime garbage to Fannie Mae. Plus he presided over a GOP Congress that sat idly by while trillions in predatory Mortgages were pawned off on unsuspecting borrowers and investors alike. The subprime bubble and collapse was the major instigator in the global financial meltdown.
It is ludicrous to blame Democrats without any evidence that they could have done anything while in the minority. 99% of subprime mortgages were written before 2007.
Phil Gramm is equally responsible as he wrote and promoted the bills that deregulated the banks, removing the safeguards put in place after the Great Depression, freeing the banks to turn their industry into a huge casino where all the bets were winners...the Govt. covered all the losses.
I bet you can never guess where Gramm is now?
 
Conservative said:
No, here is your post, suggest you read what you posted



You seem to not understand that I don't expect the President to fix the problem but I expect the President to set a positive tone and promote a positive agenda and this administration has been a failure. He has zero leadership skills and the results reflect his resume. You bought the rhetoric and ignored the resume. We are getting exactly what his resume showed. Maybe next time you will pay more attention to the resume
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Since when are billionaire CEO's so thin skinned? That premise is laughable. Why would a business hire if they don't need more workers? Because the President tells them they are heroes? Only a child would believe that BS. Is this your way of saying Romney has no plan except he want HIS taxes lowered some more? I think voters will want something more than that.
 
iguanaman said:
Bush kickstarted the subprime housing bubble in 2002 with his sale of $440 Billion in subprime garbage to Fannie Mae. Plus he presided over a GOP Congress that sat idly by while trillions in predatory Mortgages were pawned off on unsuspecting borrowers and investors alike. The subprime bubble and collapse was the major instigator in the global financial meltdown.
It is ludicrous to blame Democrats without any evidence that they could have done anything while in the minority. 99% of subprime mortgages were written before 2007.
Phil Gramm is equally responsible as he wrote and promoted the bills that deregulated the banks, removing the safeguards put in place after the Great Depression, freeing the banks to turn their industry into a huge casino where all the bets were winners...the Govt. covered all the losses.
I bet you can never guess where Gramm is now?
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The crisis was "kicked off" in 1977 by the Community Reinvestment Act.
Alan Greenspan went and lowered the Federal Funds Rate to a extreme low in 2001 making for easy lending.
The 440 Billion went to Fannie Mae to fund the NeighborWorks America. A urban non-profit investment company with a goal to get housing for 5.5 million minorities (Accomplished, don't agree with the strategy, but the goal was accomplished. Each family received a home at an average of $80,000). The NeighborWorks America is a program from 1978, chartered by congress.

In 1978, Congress institutionalized the NHS network by establishing the Neighborhood Reinvestment Corporation to carry on the work of the Urban Reinvestment Task Force. [In April 2005, the Corporation began doing business as NeighborWorks America.] The Congressional act (Public Law 95-557) charged Neighborhood Reinvestment with promoting reinvestment in older neighborhoods by local financial institutions in cooperation with the community, residents and local governments. Bill Whiteside was named executive director. The act defined Neighborhood Reinvestment's mission as "revitalizing older urban neighborhoods by mobilizing public, private and community resources at the neighborhood level."
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NeighborWorks America | History

I know you want to blame Bush for this, but he didn't set up the organizations. He didn't deregulate the banks (That was signed by Pres Clinton). Many of the issues you point to started well before 2000.
 
iguanaman said:
Bush kickstarted the subprime housing bubble in 2002 with his sale of $440 Billion in subprime garbage to Fannie Mae. Plus he presided over a GOP Congress that sat idly by while trillions in predatory Mortgages were pawned off on unsuspecting borrowers and investors alike. The subprime bubble and collapse was the major instigator in the global financial meltdown.
It is ludicrous to blame Democrats without any evidence that they could have done anything while in the minority. 99% of subprime mortgages were written before 2007.
Phil Gramm is equally responsible as he wrote and promoted the bills that deregulated the banks, removing the safeguards put in place after the Great Depression, freeing the banks to turn their industry into a huge casino where all the bets were winners...the Govt. covered all the losses.
I bet you can never guess where Gramm is now?
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Does Senate Majority Leader Dashale the new Republican know that since Democrats controlled the Senate? Didn't know that President's can spend a dime without Congressional Approval. You have been brainwashed by an ideology that is making a fool out of you
 
iguanaman said:
Since when are billionaire CEO's so thin skinned? That premise is laughable. Why would a business hire if they don't need more workers? Because the President tells them they are heroes? Only a child would believe that BS. Is this your way of saying Romney has no plan except he want HIS taxes lowered some more? I think voters will want something more than that.
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Since the Obama results became public all he needs is a bumper sticker saying "I'm not Obama"
 
Blue_State said:
The crisis was "kicked off" in 1977 by the Community Reinvestment Act.
Alan Greenspan went and lowered the Federal Funds Rate to a extreme low in 2001 making for easy lending.
The 440 Billion went to Fannie Mae to fund the NeighborWorks America. A urban non-profit investment company with a goal to get housing for 5.5 million minorities (Accomplished, don't agree with the strategy, but the goal was accomplished. Each family received a home at an average of $80,000). The NeighborWorks America is a program from 1978, chartered by congress.



NeighborWorks America | History

I know you want to blame Bush for this, but he didn't set up the organizations. He didn't deregulate the banks (That was signed by Pres Clinton). Many of the issues you point to started well before 2000.
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Also, McCain had congressional hearings to ensure that the Freddie and Fannie practices were legit. Dodd and Frank swore up and down that everything was legit. Dodd and Frank are squarely responsible for how we went off the cliff. It is irresponsible to state otherwise.
 
Blue_State said:
Also, McCain had congressional hearings to ensure that the Freddie and Fannie practices were legit. Dodd and Frank swore up and down that everything was legit. Dodd and Frank are squarely responsible for how we went off the cliff. It is irresponsible to state otherwise.
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Do we now have to debunk this on a daily basis?

Oxley hits back at ideologues
By Greg Farrell in New York
Published: September 9 2008 19:25 | Last updated: September 9 2008 19:25

In the aftermath of the US Treasury’s decision to seize control of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, critics have hit at lax oversight of the mortgage companies.

The dominant theme has been that Congress let the two government-sponsored enterprises morph into a creature that eventually threatened the US financial system. Mike Oxley will have none of it.

Instead, the Ohio Republican who headed the House financial services committee until his retirement after mid-term elections last year, blames the mess on ideologues within the White House as well as Alan Greenspan, former chairman of the Federal Reserve.

The critics have forgotten that the House passed a GSE reform bill in 2005 that could well have prevented the current crisis, says Mr Oxley, now vice-chairman of Nasdaq.

He fumes about the criticism of his House colleagues. “All the handwringing and bedwetting is going on without remembering how the House stepped up on this,” he says. “What did we get from the White House? We got a one-finger salute.”

The House bill, the 2005 Federal Housing Finance Reform Act, would have created a stronger regulator with new powers to increase capital at Fannie and Freddie, to limit their portfolios and to deal with the possibility of receivership.

Mr Oxley reached out to Barney Frank, then the ranking Democrat on the committee and now its chairman, to secure support on the other side of the aisle. But after winning bipartisan support in the House, where the bill passed by 331 to 90 votes, the legislation lacked a champion in the Senate and faced hostility from the Bush administration.

Adamant that the only solution to the problems posed by Fannie and Freddie was their privatisation, the White House attacked the bill. Mr Greenspan also weighed in, saying that the House legislation was worse than no bill at all.

“We missed a golden opportunity that would have avoided a lot of the problems we’re facing now, if we hadn’t had such a firm ideological position at the White House and the Treasury and the Fed,” Mr Oxley says.

When Hank Paulson joined the administration as Treasury secretary in 2006 he sent emissaries to Capitol Hill to explore the possibility of reaching a compromise, but to no avail.
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Just remember, Obama promised that if he didn't turn this economy around in 4 years, he was looking at a single term proposition. Now, I say we hold him to his own words.

Things are worse. Unemployment is up. Gas prices up. Food prices up. College tuition up. Debt is way up. Underemployment up. Housing is down. Business start ups are down. Tax revenues are down. Wages are down.

I mean, what can you point to, economically speaking, that Obama has done that actually had a positive impact? Anything?

He's spent boocoos of money, and for what? To see unemployment rise? To see welfare rolls swell? The man is in over his head, and we've all known that from day one. Best thing libs can do is just give Obama a clap and say, "hey bud, at least you tried". Dude has gotta go if we hope to see America recover economically. That goes for all the left wing social engineers as well. This isn't a game liberals. People's lives are actually effected by your Marxist way of thinking. Your attempt to bring about "social justice" comes at a high price, and now you're seeing it. You wanna play Robin Hood in America? Better get ready for a recession then. Liberals still don't understand how it works.
 
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