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Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

Conservative said:
BLS will give you unemployment by age, race, and about anything else you might want. Even the Gallup numbers don't show much improvement at all so when will you hold Obama accountable for all that spending and such poor results?
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So we have progressed from no improvement to very little or not enough. Very little improvement or not enough improvement are still improvements.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Sorry, but we have less Americans working as a total percent now than then. You have to use the fudged numbers, to believe what you posted.

Further, from the end of 2010, until now, food stamp usage is up about 10%. Its even worse since August 2010. Can't fudge those with LFPR adjustements.
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And yet, you continue to fail to look and see who makes up those unemployed. The biggest sector is....wait for it.....public employees.

You want smaller govt, this is what you get.
 
Blue_State said:
There is no reason to refute the source. The source is a sample. Do you know how they measured or collected their data? Do you know if it was the same way the collected the data before? Was the same group sampled?

As I said, there is no reason to refute your numbers because they don't actually impact this conversation.
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I'd say they do.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
LOL .... because some know-nothing said things were getting better, and pointed to GDP. Fact being, when it is not going up enough to keep up with population growth, we get the accurate picture that things are getting worse per household.

So if I want to see something stupid, I should just look to your posts.
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Where do you get the idea that spending is "supposed to keep up with population"......we are taking about spending....not jobs.

Again, you are confused about the measure.
 
muciti said:
So we have progressed from no improvement to very little or not enough. Very little improvement or not enough improvement are still improvements.
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How do you think the 23 million unemployed/under employed Americans are going to vote in November? Think they care about this little improvement? Obama approval rating is showing you what is going on. I posted it and that is before today's jobs' report
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Sorry, but we have less Americans working as a total percent now than then. You have to use the fudged numbers, to believe what you posted.

Further, from the end of 2010, until now, food stamp usage is up about 10%. Its even worse since August 2010. Can't fudge those with LFPR adjustements.
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Show me where we have a lower percentage of american adults working fulltime.
 
Conservative said:
How do you think the 23 million unemployed/under employed Americans are going to vote in November? Think they care about this little improvement? Obama approval rating is showing you what is going on. I posted it and that is before today's jobs' report
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I am not here to discuss how people are going to vote. I am stating that in the last 2-2 1/2 year the numbers and the economy have improved.

As for how I think they will vote, I honestly think they wiill vote Obama because most unemployed and under employed people believe it was bush's fault they are where they are.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Which is showing positive increases in GDP, we have had 22 quarters of positive GDP growth since 2009. I still am trying to understand how positive GDP growth....is a bad thing.

PS..note: A consistent negative component....is lowered govt spending.....which is what you guys want. So if you want lower GDP, keep pushing for less govt spending....especially in a recession.
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You are endless source of entertainment. Keep flailing away. I always get a kick of left wing ideologues who believe they understand economics.

Denial is a hell of a thing I guess
 
Gimmesometruth said:
And yet, you continue to fail to look and see who makes up those unemployed. The biggest sector is....wait for it.....public employees.

You want smaller govt, this is what you get.
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5 trillion has been spent within 4 years and the welfare state has been vastly increased

And you claim the Government is getting smaller? HAHAHAHAHAHA
 
Bronson said:
You are endless source of entertainment. Keep flailing away. I always get a kick of left wing ideologues who believe they understand economics.

Denial is a hell of a thing I guess
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And here I was hoping for a real refutation of the argument, instead it is an ad hominem.

Oh well....
 
Bronson said:
5 trillion has been spent within 4 years and the welfare state has been vastly increased
And you claim the Government is getting smaller? HAHAHAHAHAHA
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Mixing metaphors....is bad for your posting health.

Public employment decreases are the largest sector of job losses since 2009.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
And here I was hoping for a real refutation of the argument, instead it is an ad hominem.

Oh well....
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You were refuted with the very first post in the last thread. The rest of our entire exchange since the last thread has been you desperately grasping at straws.

GDP is trending down and projected to be sluggish for quite some time. This is horrific economic news. Look maybe it's some game for you to run around these boards defending a failed president, but out there is the real world, Obama's economic policies have destroyed real lives and real families. Obama won't even count the people who have given up looking for work. In order for you to even be arguing that unemployment is at 8.3%, in your world those people have simply ceased to exist. I watch you post here, littering endless threads with strawman like a fairy sprinkling pixie dust, fooling the less seasoned posters into chasing after them like dogs. When you can't refute facts you change the premise and attach an emotional strawman to it. I don't bother with that garbage.

Unemployment just went UP. It's trending UP.

Feel free to spend 10 pages trying to young lawyer and word semantic that FACT to death if it will make you feel better.
 
Bronson said:
5 trillion has been spent within 4 years and the welfare state has been vastly increased

And you claim the Government is getting smaller? HAHAHAHAHAHA
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While it may be true that certain STATE governments are getting smaller, by that I mean laying off workers, the FEDERAL government is not. This is a typical Obamaite dodge, change the meanings mid-stream.
 
Bronson said:
You were refuted with the very first post in the last thread. The rest of our entire exchange since the last thread has been you desperately grasping at straws.

GDP is trending down and projected to be sluggish for quite some time. This is horrific economic news. Look maybe it's some game for you to run around these boards defending a failed president, but out there is the real world, Obama's economic policies have destroyed real lives and real families. Obama won't even count the people who have given up looking for work. In order for you to even be arguing that unemployment is at 8.3%, in your world those people have simply ceased to exist. I watch you post here, littering endless threads with strawman like a fairy sprinkling pixie dust, fooling the less seasoned posters into chasing after them like dogs. When you can't refute facts you change the premise and attach an emotional strawman to it. I don't bother with that garbage.

Unemployment just went UP. It's trending UP.

Feel free to spend 10 pages trying to young lawyer and word semantic that FACT to death if it will make you feel better.
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Are you sure about that?
 
muciti said:
I will attempt to make it simpler.

The unemployment rate (which i dont believe is an accurate representation of anything since it excludes so many factors) in July 2010 was 9.5%. Today it is 8.3%
THAT IS AN IMPROVEMENT

GDP in 2010 value was 13,961,800,000,000 2012 is at 15,094,000,000,000
THAT IS AN IMPROVEMENT

Average household income in 2010 was 51,500 in 2012 it is 52,500
THAT IS AN IMPROVEMENT

In 2010 65.4% of adults were employed full time, now it is 66.6% of adults.
THAT IS AN IMPROVEMENT
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A number not included above is that the public debt per household is increasing at a rate of about $13,000. per year under Obama

Two and a half-times worse than the poor performance of Bush.

Further, when one peels away all the nonsense and BS from such as Stimulus, the government is "creating" jobs at a cost af about $500 K each. And likely much more, as the nonsense in their numbers is so deep. Regardless, some would say "See ! A job created ! That's improvement."

Well ..... NO. It is not.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
A number not included above is that the public debt per household is increasing at a rate of about $13,000. per year under Obama

Two and a half-times worse than the poor performance of Bush.
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ok......lets ignore all the numbers that dont support your argument that I have listed, and lets focus on this one.

First thing first. Can you support that statement?

Further, when one peels away all the nonsense and BS from such as Stimulus, the government is "creating" jobs at a cost af about $500 K each. And likely much more, as the nonsense in their numbers is so deep. Regardless, some would say "See ! A job created ! That's improvement."

Well ..... NO. It is not.
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Also can you please refer me to my post where I stated "See ! A job created ! That's improvement."
 
Eighty Deuce said:
A number not included above is that the public debt per household is increasing at a rate of about $13,000. per year under Obama

Two and a half-times worse than the poor performance of Bush.

Further, when one peels away all the nonsense and BS from such as Stimulus, the government is "creating" jobs at a cost af about $500 K each. And likely much more, as the nonsense in their numbers is so deep. Regardless, some would say "See ! A job created ! That's improvement."

Well ..... NO. It is not.
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Obama Fails to Stem Middle-Class Slide He Blamed on Bush - Bloomberg

Median income is down under Obama. All the left can do is run around threads tossing out emotional strawmen like pixie dust. They are going to do everything possible to minimize 8.3% Unemployment/15% Real Unemployment. They will grab every phony graph from Daily Kos and Media Matters they can find, to argue semantics in a vacuum.

Don't bother with it. It's just noise. They are out of ideas and their policies have been proven yet again to be a failure.
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
A number not included above is that the public debt per household is increasing at a rate of about $13,000. per year under Obama

Two and a half-times worse than the poor performance of Bush.

Further, when one peels away all the nonsense and BS from such as Stimulus, the government is "creating" jobs at a cost af about $500 K each. And likely much more, as the nonsense in their numbers is so deep. Regardless, some would say "See ! A job created ! That's improvement."

Well ..... NO. It is not.
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A quick google search pulled up

American Household Credit Card Debt Statistics through 2012

March 31, 2010 March 31, 2012*
Total revolving debt $842.6 billion $803.6 billion
Number of U.S. households 116,716,292 118,666,137
Average credit card debt per household $7,219 $6,772
% of households with a credit card balance 43.2% 46.7%
Average credit card debt per indebted household $16,383 $14,517

That shows improvement from 2010 to 2012
 
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Bronson said:
GDP is trending down and projected to be sluggish for quite some time.
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Sure it is, since govt spending continues to decline, especially at the local level....in response to less revenue.....due to declines in housing......which has caused consumers to pull back. Obama did not cause this, and the solutions are not coming from the GOP, in fact they are stopping what would work. We know what will break this vicious cycle, BIG jobs programs, mortgage/debt relief and programs to get corporations to stop sitting on all the cash they are hoarding.

Your guys solution is to lower marginal rates on business, believing that will spur investment. But investment goes towards growth products, and nothing is growing which is why business, which has PLENTY of cash already (read: investment dollars) is not already investing. This is NOT a supply side problem.....we are still in a demand side stall. Tax cuts are just pushing on a string, it is not the solution to this problem.
 
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