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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Lie
    n.
    1. A false statement [/url]
    His statement was false. CHECK
    deliberately presented as being true
    He deliberately presented it as true CHECK

    I think we are good here.
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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    His statement was false. CHECK


    He deliberately presented it as true CHECK

    I think we are good here.
    You chopped the definition.

    The definition of a 'lie' is: 'A false statement deliberately presented as being true'

    It's irrelavent (in regards to whether he lied or not) whether what he typed was true or not...to determine if he lied or not you have to know that he intended to post false information.

    Where is your unbiased, factual proof that his intent was to deceive? That he knew the information was false - but presented it anyway (assuming it is false)?

    Did he say he intended to deceive?

    Can you read his mind?

    Because if the answer to both is 'no', then you do not know his intent and you cannot know he lied.

    You can guess, assume, believe...but you cannot know.
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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Crossroads View Post
    Why do I have this feeling, that if this were a right wing administration, the right wing on this debate, and even the libertarians, wouldn't be scrambling to show the worse aspects of the economy? And then in that case, the left wing would be doing what the right wing is doing now with Obama, painting the worse picture imaginable.

    The economy is better then it was at the start of the crash right? Would the libertarians and conservatives agree with that or not? This gets into the taxes and regulation argument if I'm not mistaken, I'm sure thats already been mentioned and debated here a thousand times over, so I'll just say for the businesses that have large profits, I fail to see how some added taxes and or some new regulations are going to kill them? Either they lose a little profit, or they refuse to hire workers they might need, and cut workers pay and or fire some altogether. If they go that route, then they look like a bunch of assholes. Literally, thats the best way I can say it, sorry for the language. (I'm not looking back through endless pages of debate to see for myself what they'd say, so I'll just wait for one of ya to answer me here)
    Im guessing you dont own a business or you wouldnt 'fail to see' how and why businesses are concerned. Its EASY to talk **** about what other people should do to provide jobs when it isnt your ass, skin, and livelihood on the line. I am always looking for the next change from the state and what the new laws are going to do.

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Last month we had over 13 million unemployed people including 850k discouraged workers. That is hardly a successful record. Bet you really were excited when Bush had 48 straight months of Job creation but you want to focus on the negatives all in an attempt to prop up the empty suit in the WH.
    You arent supposed to count the newly unemployed, the underemployed, those that quit trying to find work, and those that run out of benefits and are no longer counted...only the 'new jobs'!

    Oh...and I should ask I suppose...is that the House or the Senate that is responsible for those 'new jobs'?
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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You arent supposed to count the newly unemployed, the underemployed, those that quit trying to find work, and those that run out of benefits and are no longer counted...only the 'new jobs'!

    Oh...and I should ask I suppose...is that the House or the Senate that is responsible for those 'new jobs'?
    I know, we only need to count the jobs that Obama says he created or SAVED and no confirmation is necessary. Liberals want so badly to believe what they are being told that they will buy anything as long as it comes from Obama or his Administration. We have terrible economic news but the best they can say is was better than what he inherited yet it is far worse than when the recession started as we have lost 4 million jobs as of TODAY!! You can sure see how naive and gullible liberals are but more importantly how poorly they are informed.

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I know, we only need to count the jobs that Obama says he created or SAVED and no confirmation is necessary. Liberals want so badly to believe what they are being told that they will buy anything as long as it comes from Obama or his Administration. We have terrible economic news but the best they can say is was better than what he inherited yet it is far worse than when the recession started as we have lost 4 million jobs as of TODAY!! You can sure see how naive and gullible liberals are but more importantly how poorly they are informed.
    Hell...give me 5 billion...I'll 'create' at least a few hundred thousand jobs for ya! Mind you...the jobs I create are going to have be maintained by taxes because they will be government and not private sector jobs...but still...

    And those jobs I 'save'...well...so what if your state is STILL in the same place this year as you were last year because you still have a debt sinkhole. At least your grandkids will be stuck paying for it.

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Im guessing you dont own a business or you wouldnt 'fail to see' how and why businesses are concerned. Its EASY to talk **** about what other people should do to provide jobs when it isnt your ass, skin, and livelihood on the line. I am always looking for the next change from the state and what the new laws are going to do.
    And you're still in business, and if people are buying whatever you're selling, and more than you can presently produce, you'll hire new people regardless. This is why buisiness has continued regardless of regulations, taxes, or anything else.

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And you're still in business, and if people are buying whatever you're selling, and more than you can presently produce, you'll hire new people regardless. This is why buisiness has continued regardless of regulations, taxes, or anything else.
    No....I wont. I wont expand at this point because I have no idea how that will impact my business and Im not going to put everyone elses employment and my investment at risk. Other business owners have expressed the same uncertainty. You want to then by all means...dig in there. Its always a little bit different when you have skin in the game.

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    No....I wont. I wont expand at this point because I have no idea how that will impact my business and Im not going to put everyone elses employment and my investment at risk. Other business owners have expressed the same uncertainty. You want to then by all means...dig in there. Its always a little bit different when you have skin in the game.
    You won't mind if I don't beleive you. History shows us business always does, regardles of what government does or doesn't do.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And you're still in business, and if people are buying whatever you're selling, and more than you can presently produce, you'll hire new people regardless. This is why buisiness has continued regardless of regulations, taxes, or anything else.
    Spoken by someone who obviously has never hired anyone or ever had to make a payroll. you have no concept of what it costs to find, hire, train, pay, and then maybe fire before starting the same process over and over again. People like you are so naive when it comes to actual business,payroll, benefits, and making a profit vs printing money to pay for Federal employees.

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