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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

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    Bush is being held accountable for the results during his term and now even for results for the Obama term. Leadership is something you don't understand at all.
    Therefore, it is Bush's policies that are responsible for his results, just as you hold Obama's policies responsible for his results.....that is, if you are going to be consistent with this principle.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

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    Therefore, it is Bush's policies that are responsible for the results, just as you hold Obama's policies responsible for his results.....that is, if you are going to be consistent with this principle.
    Waiting for those policies which you haven't done. He is definitely responsible for the results just like Obama is responsible for the results today. That is leadership, accepting responsibility. The difference between Bush and Obama is Bush had a Democrat Congress controlled the legislation and purse strings whereas Obama had a Democrat Congress.

    You have noticed that Bush was blamed for the the 2009 deficit thus claims that Obama cut spending. Of course that ignored that the Bush Budget wasn't signed because it didn't spend enough for Democrats so they passed continuing resolutions until March when Obama signed the final budget and increased spending more. What is it about liberalism that creates the kind of loyalty you have?

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

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    He is definitely responsible for the results just like Obama is responsible for the results today.
    You are separating the policy from the man. You previously stated that it is policy that creates the results, so that should hold true for both policies.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

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    You are separating the policy from the man. You previously stated that it is policy that creates the results, so that should hold true for both policies.
    Bush was unable to get anything done with a Democrat controlled Congress and that was his job thus the results are what he is responsible for. You seem to not understand the difference between responsibility and policies which are just two more things you don't understand.

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

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    Bush was unable to get anything done with a Democrat controlled Congress and that was his job thus the results are what he is responsible for. You seem to not understand the difference between responsibility and policies which are just two more things you don't understand.
    That is funny, because economic policies are fairly independent of Congress. You seem to be the one confused about the relationship between legislation and policy.

    PS...I seem to remember a certain GOP legislator last year saying he got 98% of what he wanted in the debt deal.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    That is funny, because economic policies are fairly independent of Congress. You seem to be the one confused about the relationship between legislation and policy.
    Sure they are because we elect a king in this country. Is that what you are saying? Economic policy has to be passed before it becomes law. Looks like you need to take a civics class.

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

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    Sure they are because we elect a king in this country. Is that what you are saying? Economic policy has to be passed before it becomes law. Looks like you need to take a civics class.
    Hmm...not so much, since policy such as the control of interest rates, money supply...that is via the fed and treasury...cabinet level. The appointment of exec dept heads, is a President's prerogative. It is only when it comes to budget that the POTUS has to work with Congress.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Hmm...not so much, since policy such as the control of interest rates, money supply...that is via the fed and treasury...cabinet level. The appointment of exec dept heads, is a President's prerogative. It is only when it comes to budget that the POTUS has to work with Congress.
    Good lord, you really don't have a clue, the Fed Chairman isn't a cabinet member and the Sec. of Treasury doesn't set interest rates. This is another time I feel sorry for you thus the liberalism in me comes out

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

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    Good lord, you really don't have a clue, the Fed Chairman isn't a cabinet member
    I did not say that.

    and the Sec. of Treasury doesn't set interest rates.
    I did not say that either.

    This is another time I feel sorry for you thus the liberalism in me comes out
    You should feel sorry for yourself, since you got both of your positions wrong AND you still avoided the whole policy/responsibility issue AGAIN.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I did not say that.

    I did not say that either.

    You should feel sorry for yourself, since you got both of your positions wrong AND you still avoided the whole policy/responsibility issue AGAIN.
    Kind of like you haven't posted the policies that Bush signed that put us into the recession you blame him for. Still waiting for that so its hard for reasonable people to place blame but not hard for the liberal robots.

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