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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You think you have it bad. I am trying to grasp the logic that says "Since we have been going down hill for 30 years of following certain policies, the answer is twice as much of those failed policies will make it better? We want to try something different now and more like the policies that created this nations greatest moments, the postwar years. We are still suffering under Reagan and the Bush's supplyside voodoo economic BS, that has increased the wealth of the top 5% by 5 times to over $40 trillion in net worth while leaving the other 95% languishing. We need at least 26 more years of a different more balanced approach, we will see which is better after that.
    I also wonder why you think we should reward the GOP for making such a mess of our economy that it spread worldwide and Europe hasn't even found a way out of it yet? To you the key is to make a big enough mess that it can't be fixed in 4 years, you blame the new guy and get right back in? At least we are not in a recession, which is where we will be if Romney won. There's the reason I want Obama, I hate recessions. That's where we differ I'm sure. Did you think everybody likes recessions? I'm not one of those who think all of us need to suffer because we have been bad boys and girls. We just want to get on with our lives without the rug being yanked out from under us.
    What is sad is that I really believe your bs. You obviously have no concept as to the role of the Federal Govt. and apparently have a distorted view of "going downhil." I am so sorry that you need a massive central govt to take care of you. You claim Republicans started recessions but cannot point to the policies that did that. I hate recessions too almost as much as I hate liberal social policies that destroy incentive

    Please take a civics course as well as an economics course and you might just learn something. Also pay attention to the Obama economic results, unemployment rose last month and you cannot bring yourself to blame liberal policies. That is what is sad

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Not when lower taxes only means more $ socked away in hedge funds which is all that has been happening in the upper bracket. Those people spend all the want regardless.
    We really don't want or need the top 5% to keep adding to that $40 trillion nest egg, alot of that is used to bid up commoditites instead of being invested in growth and production.
    You do realize that those "poor" demonized top 5% have ammased a fortune that is greater than all the money ever created before 1980. Just 15% of that fortune would cut our national debt in half and they wouldn't feel a thing. I think that is what scares them so.
    I am so sorry that some hedge fund hurt you but if that is the case you made the decision to invest in that hedge fund. If you didn't how did they hurt you? What gives you or anyone else the right to demand income from others that earned it all to justify bloated spending and 16 trillion in debt? Keep drinking the kool-ade but all you do is show your jealousy over your inability to get your piece of the economic pie

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You shouldn't fear them so much. Taxes don't really effect their spending all that much. Studies can be linked showing that if you need them. And business leaves more for the cheap labor and not having to worry about healthcare than it does taxes. Just thought you should know.
    When you explain to us all why we need a 3.8 trillion dollar Federal Govt., individual wealth redistribution, and class warfare, then we can discuss tax increases

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You shouldn't fear them so much. Taxes don't really effect their spending all that much. Studies can be linked showing that if you need them. And business leaves more for the cheap labor and not having to worry about healthcare than it does taxes. Just thought you should know.
    Taxation, regulation and unfunded mandates definitely affect employment decisions. Employer provided medical care insurance benefit costs may look free or small to YOU but is a huge expense for an employer. As PPACA MANDATES are adding ever more "no out of pocket cost" items the premium rates soar, much of those costs have been "absorbed" by the employer, riasing THEIR labor costs but giving the employee no increase in take home pay.

    Costs Of Employer Insurance Plans Surge in 2011 - Kaiser Health News
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You shouldn't fear them so much. Taxes don't really effect their spending all that much. Studies can be linked showing that if you need them. And business leaves more for the cheap labor and not having to worry about healthcare than it does taxes. Just thought you should know.
    Then why did the luxury tax kill jobs? If taxes don't really effect their spending all that much? Just thought you might know.
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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Romulus View Post
    6.04% in Oct 2010 (QE2 Begins), 13.65% in Apr 2011...nope...no spike there!
    Dig a little deeper...


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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Dig a little deeper...


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    If he is talking about commodities, then they will not show up in the CPI.

    And IF he is talking about commodities, then he is right - there was a huge spark after each QE...and there will be again after QE3.

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    If he is talking about commodities, then they will not show up in the CPI.

    And IF he is talking about commodities, then he is right - there was a huge spark after each QE...and there will be again after QE3.
    Commodity prices are reflected in cpi, I previously posted an all commodity inflation graph which shows the the phenomena of the "2000's commodities boom", which is continuing post recession. I'm afraid you guys are hung up on the noise and not looking at the signal.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Commodity prices are reflected in cpi, I previously posted an all commodity inflation graph which shows the the phenomena of the "2000's commodities boom", which is continuing post recession. I'm afraid you guys are hung up on the noise and not looking at the signal.
    Other then oil and gas (food prices are usually calculated with wholesale/retail prices; not commodity prices. Breakfast cereal, for example, is NOT a commodity, though it has commodities in it) - commodity prices make up a minuscule portion of the CPI.

    And the 'core' CPI - which the Fed LOVES to use - has so little commodity factors in it that it is not worth mentioning (imo).

    Inside the Consumer Price Index

    ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.reques.../cpiri2011.txt


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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Commodity prices are reflected in cpi, I previously posted an all commodity inflation graph which shows the the phenomena of the "2000's commodities boom", which is continuing post recession. I'm afraid you guys are hung up on the noise and not looking at the signal.
    You are hung up on changing the subject when you get cornered. QE3 will cause a spike in commodity prices. Do you want to argue against that, or make some other extraneous point?

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