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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

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    Two Independent Senators caucus with the Democrats but of course you ignore that. You are a newbie but not a very informed one.
    Caucusing with the Dems is one thing. But the issue is being filibuster proof. Since Lieberman vowed to filibuster health care, that obviously destroys your premise. Also, even with Lieberman there were only a few months, most of which was in recess, when the caucus had 60.

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    The question was "votes", he did not have 60 votes consistently to "control" the Senate.

    PS...notice how he keeps avoiding the contradiction on "policy".
    Thankfully. He did have enough to pass PPACA though. Which is one of the key reasons why the economy remains stagnant.

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Since Obama and his party controlled the entire govt. for his first two years whose policies are responsible for the results?
    You said Obama policies are responsible for his GDP results, So Bush's polices are responsible for his GDP results too......except Bush policies are not responsible....or are they...is anyone's?

    You tell us.

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    The economy is growing at 1.5% and that isn't enough to create employment and that is the responsibility of the Obama economic policies
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    Bush is responsible for the results just like Obama is responsible for the results today. Leaders cannot delegate responsibility. Bush policies had nothing to do with the results but they are what they are
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Tishhead View Post
    Here is a very simple comparison. Forget the Bush recession for a moment. Even before that, Bush's record was terrible compared to President Obama's. In years 2-4 of the Bush administration, only 1.6 million jobs were added. In years 2-4 of the Obama administration, it's 3.9 million.
    Well, lets go to the BLS numbers ! Age 16 and over. With jobs. Unadjusted.

    Bush

    April, 2001 137,022,000 (month 3, first term)
    January 2002 134,177,000 (start of year 2)
    July 2005 143,283,,000 (mid of year 4)

    Obama

    April 2009 140,586,000 (month 3, first term, 1st full month after Stimulus)
    January 2010 136,809,000 (start of year 2)
    July 2012 143,126,000 (mid of year 4, and as far as Obama has gotten)

    You compared years 2-4 for each, but Obama doesn't have a complete year 4. He only has until July of his fourth year. So, year 2 thru 3.5 for each yields:

    Bush: 9.1 million (you said 1.6 million)
    Obama: 6.3 million (you said 3.9 million)

    You really ****ed that up !

    Now, you can go back and manipulate a bit here and there, but those are the raw BLS numbers:

    Why are you off by so much

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Tishhead View Post
    Caucusing with the Dems is one thing. But the issue is being filibuster proof. Since Lieberman vowed to filibuster health care, that obviously destroys your premise. Also, even with Lieberman there were only a few months, most of which was in recess, when the caucus had 60.
    Shouldn't that tell you something about your policy decisions though? When you can't even get your own caucus on board, let alone get the opposition to cross over. Maybe...just maybe...it was a bad policy choice.

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Well, lets go to the BLS numbers ! Age 16 and over. With jobs. Unadjusted.

    Bush

    April, 2001 137,022,000 (month 3, first term)
    January 2002 134,177,000 (start of year 2)
    July 2005 143,283,,000 (mid of year 4)

    Obama

    April 2009 140,586,000 (month 3, first term, 1st full month after Stimulus)
    January 2010 136,809,000 (start of year 2)
    July 2012 143,126,000 (mid of year 4, and as far as Obama has gotten)

    You compared years 2-4 for each, but Obama doesn't have a complete year 4. He only has until July of his fourth year. So, year 2 thru 3.5 for each yields:

    Bush: 9.1 million (you said 1.6 million)
    Obama: 6.3 million (you said 3.9 million)

    You really ****ed that up !

    Now, you can go back and manipulate a bit here and there, but those are the raw BLS numbers:

    Why are you off by so much
    Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

    Do the math.

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Tishhead View Post
    Caucusing with the Dems is one thing. But the issue is being filibuster proof. Since Lieberman vowed to filibuster health care, that obviously destroys your premise. Also, even with Lieberman there were only a few months, most of which was in recess, when the caucus had 60.
    So healthcare failed? What legislation did Obama want that the GOP filibustered? This is getting way off topic and has nothing to do with the thread but you were wrong about the Obama deficits and you are wrong about the legislation. Nice diversion though from the Obama record. His record is there for all to see and has nothing to do with Bush or anyone else other than his own failures of leadership as well as your lack of understanding as to what a leader does

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Romulus View Post
    Shouldn't that tell you something about your policy decisions though? When you can't even get your own caucus on board, let alone get the opposition to cross over. Maybe...just maybe...it was a bad policy choice.
    So we should only pass bills that have unanimous support? It must be nice to live in a world that simple.

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So healthcare failed? What legislation did Obama want that the GOP filibustered? This is getting way off topic and has nothing to do with the thread but you were wrong about the Obama deficits and you are wrong about the legislation. Nice diversion though from the Obama record. His record is there for all to see and has nothing to do with Bush or anyone else other than his own failures of leadership as well as your lack of understanding as to what a leader does
    Actually, I wasn't wrong and I think even you know this. Do you really want a list of the Repubs' unprecedented use of the filibuster. Many, many bills that had majority support but never got a vote. As for health care, Lieberman prevented the public option.

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So healthcare failed? What legislation did Obama want that the GOP filibustered? This is getting way off topic and has nothing to do with the thread but you were wrong about the Obama deficits and you are wrong about the legislation. Nice diversion though from the Obama record. His record is there for all to see and has nothing to do with Bush or anyone else other than his own failures of leadership as well as your lack of understanding as to what a leader does
    Weird, I still can't get a clear response from you on that whole "understanding" thingy...

    You said Obama policies are responsible for his GDP results, So Bush's polices are responsible for his GDP results too......except Bush policies are not responsible....or are they...is anyone's?

    You tell us.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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