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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    No. Every state out there has to balance its books, primarily because it can't print money to then loan to itself. Liberal bastions such as Illinois raised taxes out the whazoo, while NY and CA have made huge cuts, with more to come. That current liberal cesspool known as the Obama Administration knows only how to create more debt than anyone .......... ever.
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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

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    The loss of public sector jobs has nothing to do with Obama and shows fiscal responsibility at the state level. What Obama has done is destroy incentive in the private sector thus not enough economic growth to create a reduction in the unemployment numbers.
    How is Obama responsible for lowered demand?


    To blame the increase on public employees
    What "increase"?


    ignores the 1.5% economic growth which is down vs. 2011 and 2011 was down vs. 2010. We have a declining economy and you want to give Obama a pass. The electorate will not give him another pass in November
    False. A rate of increase not as high is not a declining economy, it is an economy not increasing as fast.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Not very likely, as Boo is, after all, Boo. If there is ANYTHING that Obama did not do/change, then that is the fault of Bush (forever) in the land of Boo. Never mind that Obama KEPT 99% of Bush policy, thus making it Obama policy; in the land of Boo that is STILL Bush policy - it just happened during Obama's term. In the land of Boo if Obama did not PERSONALLY do it, it is excusable as not REALLY on his watch. Thus we have the situation where the SAME tax rates used in EVERY YEAR under Obama are still the "Bush" tax rates; see how neat that is? You can blame Bush for doing EXACTLY what Obama did - not changing the tax rates that CONGRESS passed.
    YOu miss the point. It is you guys who go Bush good, Obama bad. I say the president doesn't control it. But I've asked a simple question none of you seem to want to answer, isn't this result what you wanted?

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How bad to the economic numbers have to get before you hold Obama acccountable for his failures?
    How long will you keep avoiding the question, I answered you, now play fair or leave.

    Now it is your turn to explain why you want increased levels of unemployed fed/state/local workers while you complain about the current unemployment numbers.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How bad to the economic numbers have to get before you hold Obama acccountable for his failures?
    Here is a very simple comparison. Forget the Bush recession for a moment. Even before that, Bush's record was terrible compared to President Obama's. In years 2-4 of the Bush administration, only 1.6 million jobs were added. In years 2-4 of the Obama administration, it's 3.9 million.

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Bush is responsible for the results that occurred during his term just like Obama is responsible for the results he has right now.
    So you agree that Bush's policies are responsible for the 2008 crash.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    How is Obama responsible for lowered demand?
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    By implementing failed economic stimulus which sharply increased the deficit, and imposing new business costs via PPACA.

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    How long will you keep avoiding the question, I answered you, now play fair or leave.

    Now it is your turn to explain why you want increased levels of unemployed fed/state/local workers while you complain about the current unemployment numbers.
    Because the money that goes to employ Federal Employees can be used to lower the deficit and force these people back into the private sector. How in the world can we survive with fewer federal employees?
    Last edited by Conservative; 08-03-12 at 10:06 PM.

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    So you agree that Bush's policies are responsible for the 2008 crash.
    Bush is responsible for the results just like Obama is responsible for the results today. Leaders cannot delegate responsibility. Bush policies had nothing to do with the results but they are what they are

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    Re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Romulus View Post
    By implementing failed economic stimulus which sharply increased the deficit, and imposing new business costs via PPACA.
    That might be telling .... if it were true. The stimulus created jobs (as evidenced by all the Repub governors and senators bragging about the stimulus-related jobs in their states). And the deficit for Obama's first fiscal year was LOWER than Bush's last FY.

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