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    re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    just making sure you understand he was your president

    Now can you acknowledge that since 2010 the economy has been slowly improving?
    I don't call going from 2.5% to 1.5% an improvement nor do I call unemployment and discouraged workers today of 13.6 better than 12.7 when he took office.

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    re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    And none of how much you go on and on and on about would change anything. I am not talking about Obama or how you secretly like him and feel the need to convince yourself not to. I do not blame a single person for our economic successes or failures. It is hilarious to me that if I sit here and state that the economy has gotten better in the last 2 years how many of you people come out and get defensive, assume it is an endorsement for Obama, and suddenly I am a liberal. You people are idiotic. None of that, and I do mean none of that refutes my claim that the economy has improved since 2010. Since you want to bring it up

    Like AMERICA has raised our national debt by almost 6 trillion in just 4 yrs. AMERICAN Unemployment has been over 8% for over 40 months, there are more poor IN OUR COUNTRY NOW IN RECENT MEMORY. AMERICAN HAS HAD ITS CREDIT downgraded, on and on I can go.

    Helped you out a bit there. Obama does not have complete control over any of these things. Our government and the people of this country are ruining it. Not just Obama, but every one in office is failing, and the American people are making this crap worse. YOU are as much to blame for the crap you listed above as Obama is.
    I would suggest you show me where I refute your claim, which you can not do, which I call idiotic.

    I did list my claims that you cannot refute.

    It is further your opinion that the president does not have complete control. Anything that happens on a presidents watch is his/hers. Period. Obama is the Commander in Chief and is our president, same as presidents before him. It is the president that takes credit for the good times and bad times. The buck stops with him. And I don't care who it is, nor does history as history is written by what happens a that presidents watch.

    You can cherry pick all you want, and say, yeah Obama should take credit for this and that, but not all that other stuff. What a crock.
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    re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    and while i got you being honest for a sec do you realize that understanding that the economy is slowly improving acknowledging it does not make someone a liberal or even mean that they support Obama? Do you understand the two are not related?
    If you don't support Obama then you are doing the right thing, sure seems you are defending the indefensible.

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    re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I don't call going from 2.5% to 1.5% an improvement nor do I call unemployment and discouraged workers today of 13.6 better than 12.7 when he took office.
    Obama didnt take office in 2010. How do you not know that? And the 2.5 and 1.5 are you referreing to GDP? Because both of those are growth numbers. Not negative numbers.
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    re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    As an Obama supporter I understand why you don't understand how to create demand. You are supporting the right person as Obama doesn't know either. President Romney does
    I understand why demand is down, I understand what will increase it, I understand that supply-side solutions are dead ends now, I understand you can't bring up anything but rhetoric and supply side solutions.

    Do you know this? Do you....do you?
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    re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Oh...this is sad. "Real" dollars are adjusted for inflation, those are REAL dollar amounts, and GDP is not a reflection of revenue....it never has been....nor is it a measure of job creation....again it was never meant to be.....so why someone would make such a silly remark is just ...wild.

    It gets even worse when you skip over the reason for the step down in GDP. Hint: it was this thing called a "2008 Recession"...look it up sometime.
    Do we get tax revenue of actual dollars or inflation adjusted dollars? Is the debt in actual dollars or in inflation adjusted dollars. Wow, talk about hopeless.

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    re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    If you don't support Obama then you are doing the right thing, sure seems you are defending the indefensible.
    I didnt say i didnt support obama neither. You just keep jumping to random conclusions. To keep it simple, the economy has been getting slowly better since 2010. That statement is not an endorsement or and lack of one for anyone.
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    re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    LOL...a link to the BEA chart page...is supposed to show what?

    Don't you know, to save a chart you create....you need to save the image and post it?

    Yes...you are ignorant of this basic fact.

    Try again.
    Ok..ok, just calm down lets talk math.

    N=FD

    Where is N is employment, F is a function, and D is expected demand. This states that expected demand directly causes employment. In the real world, expectations are not a measurable quantity and have no place in an equation. Demand signals in supply/demand models (accepted by all economists even commies) are not realized until a purchase is made. Another quantification of the unquantifiable is Keynes' MPC (marginal propensity to consume) stating the net result of a government check going to a worker (lets call that result Y) will lead to 10(Y) because 90% of that check will be used in consumption. The problem for which from a mathematical perspective is the assumption that the 10% saved (not used for consumption) is stuffed into a mattress. It is not, when savings are invested they convert to spending (by banks, corporate capital expenditures etc.). So, when we realize 100% of stimulus is spent, the "multiplier effect" self destructs and becomes infinite.

    Don't be mad bro, it's just math.

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    re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I understand why demand is down, I understand what will increase it, I understand that supply-side solutions are dead ends now, I understand you can't bring up anything but rhetoric and supply side solutions.

    Do you know this? Do you....do you?
    Good then pass them on to Obama because he doesn't have a clue and my bet is neither do you.

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    re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I didnt say i didnt support obama neither. You just keep jumping to random conclusions. To keep it simple, the economy has been getting slowly better since 2010. That statement is not an endorsement or and lack of one for anyone.
    The way you debate out of ignorance is enough for me. Talking about an improving economy from 2010 ignores actual data and proves nothing.

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