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    re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I am not sure I would use the Gallup poll as my yardstick, but I like that the numbers are showing some improvement. But the true economy measurements, Unemployment, GDP, those are not showing what the Gallup is showing. Maybe Gallup is a precursor to good things to come, but I don't think so.
    Gallup numbers seem solid to me, and I haven't seen anything that refutes it or really makes it seem inaccurate. My problem with a lot of the other numbers that people like the throw out is that they are politically motivated. Obama and company puts numbers on display that makes it seem like our economy is on a great rebound and Romney and Co. put out numbers that show us pretty much in decline. There are a lot of numbers that can be twisted and both sides exploit that.

    To me, what is important are the numbers Gallup put out there. The % of working adults full time and % of people who are underemployed. What is more important to our economic growth and job market than those 2 numbers?
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    re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

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    Just goes to show how little this Administration knows about the private sector. The private sector is not going to create jobs when it is demonized and threatened with higher taxes. Incentive drives all personal behavior and that is something Obama will never understand.
    Lower taxes don't create jobs either. Demand does. As long as demand for products and services remains low, businesses aren't going to hire more people.


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    re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Lower taxes don't create jobs either. Demand does. As long as demand for products and services remains low, businesses aren't going to hire more people.
    Lower taxes create an atmosphere for positive economic growth. What do you do when you get more spendable income? Does more spendable income translate into more economic activity?

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    re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Gallup numbers seem solid to me, and I haven't seen anything that refutes it or really makes it seem inaccurate. My problem with a lot of the other numbers that people like the throw out is that they are politically motivated. Obama and company puts numbers on display that makes it seem like our economy is on a great rebound and Romney and Co. put out numbers that show us pretty much in decline. There are a lot of numbers that can be twisted and both sides exploit that.

    To me, what is important are the numbers Gallup put out there. The % of working adults full time and % of people who are underemployed. What is more important to our economic growth and job market than those 2 numbers?
    I am not denying that Politicians use numbers and twist numbers to their benefit, but Unemployment and GDP are tracked (predominantly, there have been changes) the same from month to month. Using the same ruler that is number based instead of emotionally based is a better metric of performance.

    Your question is what is more important to our economic growth and job market than those two numbers.
    Answer - Unemployment and GDP
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    re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I am not denying that Politicians use numbers and twist numbers to their benefit, but Unemployment and GDP are tracked (predominantly, there have been changes) the same from month to month. Using the same ruler that is number based instead of emotionally based is a better metric of performance.

    Your question is what is more important to our economic growth and job market than those two numbers.
    Answer - Unemployment and GDP
    unemployment figures are a joke and are exploited because they don't show a complete picture.
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    re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    unemployment figures are a joke and are exploited because they don't show a complete picture.

    Then we anxiously await you giving us the complete picture since 23 million unemployed/under employed Americans, 1.5% GDP growth, 5.4 trillion added to the debt obviously aren't the real story

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    re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    It would be nice if we could get people like Romney just to pay taxes, period.

    I'm not a Democrat and I am not an Obama supporter. To date the wealthy have enjoyed Bush tax cuts and all the tax loopholes that you and I cannot get yet unemployment continues to suck like a bucket of ticks. Simply continuing the Bush tax cuts isn't going to do squat for jobs and real Americans.
    What you have is Obama job killing policies, which does squat and real Americans.
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    re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    What you have is Obama job killing policies, which does squat and real Americans.
    Wonder exactly what Romney's tax returns have to do with the Obama failed economic results?

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    re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Lower taxes don't create jobs either. Demand does. As long as demand for products and services remains low, businesses aren't going to hire more people.
    Higher taxes takes more money out of your pocket, decreasing demand for goods and services, why, because you have less money to spend.
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    re: Jobless rate rises to 8.3 percent, hiring picks up but still falling short

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    It would be nice if we could get people like Romney just to pay taxes, period.

    I'm not a Democrat and I am not an Obama supporter. To date the wealthy have enjoyed Bush tax cuts and all the tax loopholes that you and I cannot get yet unemployment continues to suck like a bucket of ticks. Simply continuing the Bush tax cuts isn't going to do squat for jobs and real Americans.

    "The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in ourselves, but in our stars, for we are underlings."

    If Romney took advantage of tax loopholes, put on the books by our elected officials, then he did nothing wrong.
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