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Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

Kandahar said:
No, if you went there because you wanted a chicken sandwich, that's fine. If you went out of your way to specifically go there today because you knew about "Chick-Fil-A Appreciation Day," then yes, you're most likely a homophobic bigot.
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How about if you went to defend a persons right to speak even if you do not agree. Let's remember that the CEO only spoke about gay marriage to the best of my knowledge, not anti-gay. Pretty much Obama's position until a couple of weeks ago.
 
washunut said:
How about if you went to defend a persons right to speak even if you do not agree.
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If the Westboro Baptist Church or the Nazi Party opened a fried chicken joint in your town, would you specifically seek it out to show your support of their free speech? I thought not. No one does that unless they agree with their words on some level.

Let's remember that the CEO only spoke about gay marriage to the best of my knowledge, not anti-gay.
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Opposing gay marriage *is* anti-gay. He has also donated millions of dollars to groups dedicated to lobbying for discriminatory laws, and at least one organization that's classified as a hate group by the SPLC for spreading propaganda about gays being child molesters.

Pretty much Obama's position until a couple of weeks ago.
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Except no one actually thought Obama was sincerely opposed to gay marriage in the first place. Dan Cathy actually believes what he says.
 
Kandahar said:
Bull****. If the Westboro Baptist Church or the Nazi Party opened a fried chicken joint in your town, would you specifically seek it out to show your support of their free speech? I thought not. No one does that unless they agree with their words on some level.



Opposing gay marriage *is* anti-gay. He has also donated millions of dollars to groups dedicated to lobbying for discriminatory laws, and at least one organization that's classified as a hate group by the SPLC for spreading propaganda about gays being child molesters.



Except no one actually thought Obama was sincerely opposed to gay marriage in the first place. Dan Cathy actually believes what he says.
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Sorry I can't relate to putting this guys comments and comparing him to Nazis. Too many people trivialize what the Nazi's did by making comparisons like this.

Look, I hate some the the speech that Al Sharpton has made over the years that may have contributed to innocent people getting killed in riots he may have instigated. Does that mean I should never watch any show on NBC or MSNBC?
 
washunut said:
Sorry I can't relate to putting this guys comments and comparing him to Nazis. Too many people trivialize what the Nazi's did by making comparisons like this.
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Well if you just want to show support for his free speech, and the actual content of his speech isn't the issue, then it shouldn't matter whether it's Dan Cathy or the Nazi Party or the Westboro Baptist Church or anyone else. The fact that you draw a distinction between them just proves that it *is* about the actual message he's delivering rather than supporting "free speech" in general.

Look, I hate some the the speech that Al Sharpton has made over the years that may have contributed to innocent people getting killed in riots he may have instigated. Does that mean I should never watch any show on NBC or MSNBC?
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I dunno. If you don't want to watch them, don't watch them.
 
Kandahar said:
Well if you just want to show support for his free speech, and the actual content of his speech isn't the issue, then it shouldn't matter whether it's Dan Cathy or the Nazi Party or the Westboro Baptist Church or anyone else. The fact that you draw a distinction between them just proves that it *is* about the actual message he's delivering rather than supporting "free speech" in general.



I dunno. If you don't want to watch them, don't watch them.
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You miss the point. While I may not agree with this guy I do not find his speech as hateful as Nazi or Westboro Baptish Church. If I get labeled for that so be it.

I am not sure that we know the proclivities of the CEOs of most of the places we buy stuff.
 
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washunut said:
You miss the point. While I may not agree with this guy I do not find his speech as hateful as Nazi or Westboro Baptish Church.
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No one said it was, but you asked about "defending a person's right to speak even if you do not agree." Presumably those other groups would fall into that same category, yes? The fact that the distinction you draw is that his words are less hateful than those other groups simply illustrates the point: It's all about the words he said, not about "free speech" in general. The people who went to Chick-Fil-A today to voice their support for "free speech" were mostly going there because they agree with the content of his speech on some level, don't like gay people, and want to discriminate against them.

I am not sure that we know the proclivities of the CEOs of most of the places we buy stuff.
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That's true. But we do know Dan Cathy's proclivities, and personally I don't like to do business with an organization that actively supports discrimination and hate groups. I certainly wouldn't go out of my way to support such a business on their "Appreciation Day."
 
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Kandahar said:
What's your point? You asked why there was a supposed "double standard" between Obama and Dan Cathy. The answer is simply that Obama's earlier position was insincere and everyone knew it, whereas Dan Cathy actually believes what he says and everyone knows that too. Therefore no double standard exists.
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I’m going off topic for a bit here .. . Just because I can’t resist.

So when Romney lies about his position (or flip flops as liberals like to use) it’s perfectly okay right? I mean you don’t seem to have a problem when Obama lies about his position for political reasons, then you shouldn’t have a problem with anyone lies for political gain should you ?

It amazes me that liberals see it fitting for the president of the US to be a liar, in fact they seem even proud of the fact, that Obama lied about his stance for political gain. Yet you and other liberals are first in line when it comes to accusing Romney of flip flopping. Talk about being a hypocrite!!!!

This is exactly what was brought this country to it’s knees, liberalism at it’s finest, do and say anything, lie, cheat whatever it takes ……as long as it’s for the greater good …….. In the liberal opinion. Then cry and whine about it when it’s done by the other side .
 
hazlnut said:
Did you read before you hit POST?

Those who feel ashamed because of their bigotry and homophobia have a clear choice, embrace true Christian and American values of tolerance and equal treatment.

Marriage equality is coming. We'll still have to deal with a generation and a half of homophobes before we get to a place where Americans can be proud about moving away from a time of ignorance and hatred.

The lines outside Chick-Fil-A are similar to scenes from the civil right era.

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Not exactly the same, but similar.
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Listen hazlnut not being for gay marriage is NOT BEING A BIGOT or hateful or a scumbag ok...thats why they are lining up to support chik a fil because people are starting to feel like their RIGHT to have an opinion is trying to be taken from them by very hateful and abusive individuals that are trying to FORCE their will down everyones throat.....you got that...and you know what this overbearing ABUSE of the people that dont agree with gay marriage is going to do...its going to cause HATE...because its gone to far...to the point where they dont want anyone to even say they arent for gay marriage...kind of like some of the people on this forum....
 
Wiggen said:
Nothing brings out the gay-bashing God-fearin' residents of Hooterville more than an opportunity to show their support for other gay bashers.
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And nothing brings out the love of a freedom lover than some contrived over-arching, symbolic struggle between imaginary opponents. It is obviously time to invite your favorite gay person to Chick-Fil-A for lunch. Might even give him a kiss.
 
lpast said:
Listen hazlnut not being for gay marriage is NOT BEING A BIGOT or hateful or a scumbag ok...thats why they are lining up to support chik a fil because people are starting to feel like their RIGHT to have an opinion is trying to be taken from them by very hateful and abusive individuals that are trying to FORCE their will down everyones throat.....you got that...and you know what this overbearing ABUSE of the people that dont agree with gay marriage is going to do...its going to cause HATE...because its gone to far...to the point where they dont want anyone to even say they arent for gay marriage...kind of like some of the people on this forum....
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It is rather funny to see those who bemoaned others forcing their religion on them exhibiting the exact same behavior.
 
Kandahar said:
If the Westboro Baptist Church or the Nazi Party opened a fried chicken joint in your town, would you specifically seek it out to show your support of their free speech? I thought not. No one does that unless they agree with their words on some level.



Opposing gay marriage *is* anti-gay. He has also donated millions of dollars to groups dedicated to lobbying for discriminatory laws, and at least one organization that's classified as a hate group by the SPLC for spreading propaganda about gays being child molesters.



Except no one actually thought Obama was sincerely opposed to gay marriage in the first place. Dan Cathy actually believes what he says.
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What garbage...opposing gay marriage is NOT being anti gay...but know what your going to make it that way by continually abusing people for their opinion.
Just like JC Penny and Target have the right to state their opinion so does ChikaFil...YOUR the hateful person, that believes that somehow what you want and your opinion overrides every other humans....
Gays and their supporters make utterly absurd claims to denigrate anyone that dares to oppose what they want.
Your like a nazi...your a homophobe...your a hater...your like racists that enslaved black people...to all that I say BS in big bold letters.
 
MaggieD said:
Unbelievable. So, what you're saying is that Barack Obama was a liar. (You should like that designation, PD.)

He was lying here:



He was lying here:



And he was lying here:



No, I guess he was just pretending. *Sigh*
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I'd forgotten the Rick Warren sit-down. Thanks for this post, a reminder of the President's public statements at the time on the SSM issue.

Defining marriage as one man/one woman doesn't make anybody a bigot.
 
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lpast said:
What garbage...opposing gay marriage is NOT being anti gay...
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I don't know man. I agree this whole thing has been blown out of proportion. It was one guy expressing his opinion. If people don't want to eat there for it fine. I won't be eating there. I'm not going to begrudge anyone who does eat there.

BUT, being against SSM sure does seem anti-gay to me. Is it racist to be against inter-racial marriage? If you can say no I will still disagree with you but at least your belief would be consistent.
 
Sarcogito said:
I don't know man. I agree this whole thing has been blown out of proportion. It was one guy expressing his opinion. If people don't want to eat there for it fine. I won't be eating there. I'm not going to begrudge anyone who does eat there.

BUT, being against SSM sure does seem anti-gay to me. Is it racist to be against inter-racial marriage? If you can say no I will still disagree with you but at least your belief would be consistent.
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You need to parse it a bit more. Most people are for Gay Unions having the same rights as Marriage. Somewhere around half the people think the word Marriage has a specific meaning and are uncomfortable with that meaning being changed. The issue is not the same as inter-racial marriage because race is superficial. Gay Unions and Straight Unions have many, fundamental differences. Children living with their genetic donors is one of the basic ones. The way things are going, those differences will become less important over time. But the idea that people are irrational or evil for resisting Gay Marriage is pretty far fetched.
 
Kandahar said:
It seems highly implausible that anyone would go out of their way to support a business just because a couple of mayors said some mean things about them and made a silly threat that they'd never be able to actually enforce (one of whom wasn't even in a city where Chick-Fil-A was considering locating).
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So you're saying the mayors were pandering?
 
beerftw said:
mediocre sandwhiches????


thems be fightin words,you can hate their beliefs but when you talk bad about their sandwhiches:shock:
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No it's true, they're mediocre.
 
Kandahar said:
It seems highly implausible that anyone would go out of their way to support a business just because a couple of mayors said some mean things about them and made a silly threat that they'd never be able to actually enforce (one of whom wasn't even in a city where Chick-Fil-A was considering locating).
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That would be the only thing that would spur me to a Chick-Fil-A, the fact that the government intervened and even threatened, even threatened to use their force against the free exercise of rights. Who cares what some individual person says, but the government is expressly forbidden from doing anything, and even the threat is tyranny.
 
Happy homophobe bigot day, hope no one chokes on a bone. Remember, the invisible man in the sky is taking down names, so I would steer clear of Chik-Hate-r.
 
lpast said:
Listen hazlnut not being for gay marriage is NOT BEING A BIGOT or hateful or a scumbag ok.
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Yeah, actually that's exactly what it is. Do you also think that the people who support segregation and Jim Crow Laws aren't actually racist?

.thats why they are lining up to support chik a fil because people are starting to feel like their RIGHT to have an opinion is trying to be taken from them by very hateful and abusive individuals that are trying to FORCE their will down everyones throat.
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No, the only ones trying to force their will down anyone's throat are the assholes who think that some Americans shouldn't be entitled to the same rights as everyone else. Those on the other side of this issue are not trying to take marriage rights away from Southern Baptists, or donating money to hate groups. If we get our way, everyone has the same rights. If the homophobes get their way, some people have rights that others do not.

If it's "forcing their will down everyone's throat" to stand up for equal rights for all, then count me guilty as charged, as Dan Cathy might say.

you got that...and you know what this overbearing ABUSE of the people that dont agree with gay marriage is going to do...its going to cause HATE...because its gone to far...to the point where they dont want anyone to even say they arent for gay marriage...kind of like some of the people on this forum....
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Good. People SHOULD be ashamed to be against equality. It should be as socially unacceptable as overt racism and supporting racial discrimination.
 
I didn't even realize it was appreciation day yesterday. I just really, really wanted a sweet tea and a chicken sandwich. Drove up, saw a lined doubled up around the restaurant and ended up going to Sonic instead.

I support gay marriage. I don't agree with Cathy's opinion on gay marriage. But even if I find his views ignorant and out of place, I have to admit he was respectful in his approach. And honestly, this isn't even the first time he's spoken on gay marriage, it's just the first time it's received massive media attention.
 
lpast said:
What garbage...opposing gay marriage is NOT being anti gay.
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Is supporting segregation and Jim Crow Laws being racist?

YOUR the hateful person, that believes that somehow what you want and your opinion overrides every other humans
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Equality under the law is non-negotiable.

Gays and their supporters make utterly absurd claims to denigrate anyone that dares to oppose what they want.
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How about we take away YOUR rights? Surely you won't object, because your opinion that you should have equal rights doesn't override anyone else's opinion that you should be bullied and discriminated against. Right?

Your like a nazi...your a homophobe...your a hater...your like racists that enslaved black people...to all that I say BS in big bold letters.
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Please explain how this is different from people who supported discrimination on the basis of race. So far no one has been able to give an explanation of any meaningful distinction between the two.
 
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Ikari said:
That would be the only thing that would spur me to a Chick-Fil-A, the fact that the government intervened and even threatened, even threatened to use their force against the free exercise of rights. Who cares what some individual person says, but the government is expressly forbidden from doing anything, and even the threat is tyranny.
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Both mayors walked those threats back. And buying a chicken sandwich does not do anything to prevent government officials from doing this in the future, if that is the concern. I'm calling bull**** on ANYONE who claims that they attended "Chick-Fil-A Appreciation Day" not because they support discrimination, but because they were just so horrified by Rahm Emanuel making a silly remark.
 
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