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Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

digsbe said:
SSM is not equal to racial segregation or Jim Crow. Is it ok for me to believe that pro-choice people are bigoted, intolerant and hateful because I think they discriminate against the unborn? The term is flung around constantly in such a self righteous manner.
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That argument is made all of the time. LOL

digsbe said:
I think that God will judge everyone :shrug: Not just homosexuals. It depends on the context. But then again under the same definition am I not right in calling those who support punishing Chick Fil A over the CEO's personal belief's bigots? What about those who cannot tolerate or hate the personal beliefs of others that do not support SSM?
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Not only is he threatening the country with God, but he's also denying basic rights. How is that one group getting tax breaks, employment and insurance benefits, retirement benefits, etc and another group doesn't for no good reason not bigoted? Marriage in this country can already take place without any religious ceremony, and we even allow people who don't believe in the Christian God to get married.

But if you are gay? **** you. You don't get ****, because you're going to Hell and Chick-fil-A knows it.
 
whysoserious said:
That argument is made all of the time. LOL
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I know, I'm asking if that argument is ok though. I'm not saying I would ever use it or make those judgments of pro-choice individuals.
Not only is he threatening the country with God, but he's also denying basic rights. How is that one group getting tax breaks, employment and insurance benefits, retirement benefits, etc and another group doesn't for no good reason not bigoted? Marriage in this country can already take place without any religious ceremony, and we even allow people who don't believe in the Christian God to get married.

But if you are gay? **** you. You don't get ****, because you're going to Hell and Chick-fil-A knows it.
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Who is he denying basic rights? Is he violating employment laws?

I'm not arguing the Christian or theological belief behind marriage or homosexuality, that's for another thread.
 
Personally I don't see how being anti-SSM (and by anti-SSM I mean supporting an active legal ban on gay marriage) is any less morally reprehensible than discrimination against minorities or denying their right to vote.

I mean, just how stupid does it sound when someone says "I'm not a racist or a bigot, I just don't think black people should have the right to vote. I'm 'protecting' the institution of voting by keeping it for whites only. Oh, and by the way, if those black people ever really want to be able to vote, they can't call it 'voting' they have to call it something else because it offends my notion of what voting should be like.

Oh, and while we're at it, because I'm a Hindu who believes eating beef is wrong, nobody else can eat beef either and I'm going to make it my mission to legally outlaw beef consumption."
 
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digsbe said:
I know, I'm asking if that argument is ok though. I'm not saying I would ever use it or make those judgments of pro-choice individuals.


Who is he denying basic rights? Is he violating employment laws?

I'm not arguing the Christian or theological belief behind marriage or homosexuality, that's for another thread.
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Cathy's business actively contributes monetary resources to organizations that deny gays the right to marry.
 
digsbe said:
I was against SSM, I never hated anyone:shrug:
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And I said hatred sums up "a lot" and not "all" anti-SSM views for a reason. :shrug:

I would agree that it's intolerance in that people refuse to allow a homosexual relationship to be defined as a marriage. But then again wouldn't that mean liberals are intolerant of the conservative tax code or that conservatives are intolerant of the liberal views on drug legalization? Being intolerant is not an inherently bad thing, it's when intolerance of something becomes hatred or when rights want to be violated does it become a bad thing (and yes, I think denying homosexuals the ability to get married is violating their rights as Americans in the spirit of liberty).
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Whether intolerance is a good or bad thing is not the issue. The issue is that you said calling anti-SSM views intolerant is "foolish rhetoric." I'm telling you that it's not "foolish rhetoric," it's the truth.
 
Digsbe...would you feel the same way about his "right" to "free speech"....had he said that he believed that inter-racial marriage is abhorrant or that Chik-fil-A believes that Black people are inferior to white? or that Jews are a dirty people and shouldn't patronize their restaurants?

This isn't about "free speech"....its about hatred and intolerance.
 
digsbe said:
Who is he denying basic rights? Is he violating employment laws?

I'm not arguing the Christian or theological belief behind marriage or homosexuality, that's for another thread.
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If it's a right for everyone else, then it should be a right for them to. I don't see anywhere that drinking out of the same water fountain as other races is a right, but a little thing called common sense prevailed in that case.

Call it a right or call it a privilege, I don't care. Either way, you are denying a giant group of people the ability to do things everyone else can do and for no good reason. God already has nothing to do with marriage in this country, so why does it have anything to do with them?

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Oh, I see what you are saying. Well, SB answered it pretty well for me. He is using his fame, money, and his company to promote his views, support groups that lobby this issue, and again, threaten the country with the judgment of God.
 
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I didn't eat at Chik-fil-A BEFORE this because their food is nasty.....but I certainly wish that I could say that I'm not eating there because of their intolerance and bigotry.....
 
disneydude said:
Digsbe...would you feel the same way about his "right" to "free speech"....had he said that he believed that inter-racial marriage is abhorrant or that Chik-fil-A believes that Black people are inferior to white? or that Jews are a dirty people and shouldn't patronize their restaurants?

This isn't about "free speech"....its about hatred and intolerance.
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Free speech covers speech that might be intolerant or showing hatred towards others. How you feel about the speech plays no part in it.
 
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StillBallin75 said:
Cathy's business actively contributes monetary resources to organizations that deny gays the right to marry.
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The government deny's gays the right to marry, no organization prevents them from doing so. The organisations just don't support SSM and some believe that homosexuality is unhealthy or wrong.

Many organizations may donate money to Planned Parenthood, which denies children the right to be born and facilitates their killing.

It's all about personal perspective.
 
digsbe said:
SSM is not equal to racial segregation or Jim Crow. Is it ok for me to believe that pro-choice people are bigoted, intolerant and hateful because I think they discriminate against the unborn?
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No, because whatever your views are on abortion, the pro-choice people simply disagree with your assessment that the unborn are people inherently deserving of rights (and so does the 14th amendment of the US Constitution). Whereas gays, like racial minorities, are indisputably people. If you don't think that opposing same sex marriage is the same as opposing racial integration, please explain the difference to me.

The term is flung around constantly in such a self righteous manner.
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You know who I'm tired of being self-righteous? People who are actively trying to deny rights to their fellow citizens. And that's a far bigger problem than a fast food CEO getting his feelings hurt by a couple mayors making some empty threats.
 
digsbe said:
I was against SSM, I never hated anyone:shrug:
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That's similar to what a lot of people said regarding civil rights legislation.....i.e...."I don't hate black people....I just don't want them drinking from our drinking fountains or using our restrooms".

I'm glad that you've evolved Digs.....but to say that denial of basic human rights is not "hatred" ignores the facts.
 
Henrin said:
Free speech covers speech that might be intolerant or showing hatred towards others. How you feel about the speech plays no part in it.
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I agree....but this isn't about "free speech"...no one is denying this bigots "right" to say whatever ignorant thing he wants. I agree that he should have the right to display his stupidity through his statements....but the right-wing is trying to define this argument as one of free speech. Free speech does not include the right to be free of the consequences of your statements.
 
disneydude said:
Digsbe...would you feel the same way about his "right" to "free speech"....had he said that he believed that inter-racial marriage is abhorrant or that Chik-fil-A believes that Black people are inferior to white? or that Jews are a dirty people and shouldn't patronize their restaurants?

This isn't about "free speech"....its about hatred and intolerance.
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Please link to your messages accusing President Obama of hatred and intolerance for his opposition to gay marriage.
 
digsbe said:
But then again wouldn't that mean liberals are intolerant of the conservative tax code or that conservatives are intolerant of the liberal views on drug legalization? Being intolerant is not an inherently bad thing, it's when intolerance of something becomes hatred or when rights want to be violated does it become a bad thing (and yes, I think denying homosexuals the ability to get married is violating their rights as Americans in the spirit of liberty).
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You just answered your own question. A policy disagreement over tax rates or drug laws doesn't inherently violate anyone's rights...opposing same-sex marriage does.
 
Ikari said:
I don't understand why this is an issue. Why protest or support? Some dude ran his mouth about his beliefs. Who the **** cares? It's a free country. Chick-Fil-A wasn't discriminating, was it? It wasn't breaking any law, was it? Then this is a non-issue. Some dude ran his mouth, that's all there is to it. Don't like it, don't go. But to turn this into a mountain is stupid. In a free country people are going to say all sorts of things, ain't no point getting all bent out of shape over every damned thing that is said that you don't agree with.
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To normal people this is a non-issue.To a rabid leftist it is a pretty big deal when someone supports traditional marriage.
 
joko104 said:
Please link to your messages accusing President Obama of hatred and intolerance for his opposition to gay marriage.
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If you go back and check you would find them...I've said several times that Obama's views were just as bigoted as the next guy. I'm glad that Obama has accepted that he was wrong.
 
whysoserious said:
If it's a right for everyone else, then it should be a right for them to. I don't see anywhere that drinking out of the same water fountain as other races is a right, but a little thing called common sense prevailed in that case.
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Lets go over this again since you still haven't gotten the issue with this..

Marriage is a right

A marriage contract by the use of government is not a right

Excluding people from the contract is a violation of the fourteenth amendment.

Just because it violates the fourteenth amendment does not change it from a government service to a right. It is still a government service.

As for the water fountain example, if it is a private water fountain is it not a right for anyone to use it and if it is public one it is still not a right for anyone to use it, but the government can't exclude anyone from doing so.
 
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disneydude said:
I agree....but this isn't about "free speech"...no one is denying this bigots "right" to say whatever ignorant thing he wants. I agree that he should have the right to display his stupidity through his statements....but the right-wing is trying to define this argument as one of free speech. Free speech does not include the right to be free of the consequences of your statements.
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Tell me you are not making the argument that by practicing your rights and harming no one the government is justified in punishing its citizens and stripping them of their rights.
 
jamesrage said:
To normal people this is a non-issue.To a rabid leftist it is a pretty big deal when someone supports traditional marriage.
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Bigotry is not that big a deal. He can be a bigot. He is free to say whatever bigotted thing he wants. And others are free to say what they want in repsonse. Freedom.
 
hazlnut said:
The VP of the company had a friggin' heart attack.

The invisible man in the sky has spoken and taken sides on this issue.

I wouldn't be caught dead in a Chick-Fli-A-- no pun intended.

Praise God.
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tasteless.
 
Wiggen said:
Nothing brings out the gay-bashing God-fearin' residents of Hooterville more than an opportunity to show their support for other gay bashers.
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so anyone who goes to Chick Fil A is a gay basher...

Seriously, keep it up guys. This kind of rhetoric marginalizes you more than anything your opponents could say.
 
ChuckBerry said:
so anyone who goes to Chick Fil A is a gay basher...
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No, if you went there because you wanted a chicken sandwich, that's fine. If you went out of your way to specifically go there today because you knew about "Chick-Fil-A Appreciation Day," then yes, you're most likely a homophobic bigot.
 
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