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Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

whysoserious said:
Why wouldn't it be? Marriage is only simply a symbolic event with economical consequences. Last I checked, no one owns the right to the word, so the union can be called whatever they want it to be called, and they should be able to enjoy those financial and lifestyle perks just like anyone else.

No one said the Pope had to give it his blessing.
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I did not say marriage is not a right, but instead hinted at the fact that marriage attached to the state is NOT a right. I'm not talking about gays here either, but the general idea of attaching marriage to the state and them claiming its a right for that connection to exist.
 
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Henrin said:
That is assuming that a government contract in marriage is a right.
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It doesn't matter if it's "a right" or not. The government can't grant it to some people and not to others without a valid reason, which they do not have.
 
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Kandahar said:
It doesn't matter if it's "a right" or not. The government can't grant it to some people and not to others without a valid reason, which they do not have.
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That is a different issue altogether.
 
Henrin said:
That is a different issue altogether.
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Who cares if you call it a "right" or a "privilege" or whatever other term you want to use? The government can't extend it to some people and not others. And if there is no practical distinction between those terms, then you're just arguing semantics.
 
Henrin said:
I did not say marriage is not a right, but instead hinting at that marriage attached to state is NOT a right. I'm not talking about gays here either, but the general idea of attaching marriage to the state and them claiming its a right for that connection to exist.
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Why? Why can one group of people go to the local Justice of the Peace and form a union that provides great economical means and another group cannot?


Henrin said:
I wasn't doing that, so..
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You are defending a man whose rights were "infringed upon" because he supports the rights of others being infringed upon...
 
"Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day"-Aka: Bigot Day
 
Kandahar said:
Who cares if you call it a "right" or a "privilege" or whatever other term you want to use? The government can't extend it to some people and not others. And if there is no practical distinction between those terms, then you're just arguing semantics.
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There is a huge difference between the government deciding to get involved in part of our lives and those benefits coming out being a right. The term you're looking for is government service and benefits from government action are NOT rights. This is hardly semantics as understanding rights is the basic foundation of a country and getting it wrong in such a way as you people are doing here is a serious issue. Lastly, this bit about equal treatment I agree with you on, but it has little to do with my point I'm making here.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
"Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day"-Aka: Bigot Day
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Anti-bigot day ;) It's nice when Americans stand up and support a company that came under fire by intolerant bigoted officials filled with hate for a company and would consider abusing the law because they disagree with an owner's legally help personal view.
 
digsbe said:
Anti-bigot day ;) It's nice when Americans stand up and support a company that came under fire by intolerant bigoted officials filled with hate for a company and would consider abusing the law because they disagree with an owner's legally help personal view.
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Oh, you mean his view that only certain people deserve certain rights? Oh wait, that's bigotry.
 
whysoserious said:
Oh, you mean his view that only certain people deserve certain rights? Oh wait, that's bigotry.
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Nah, the view that because government officials disagree with an owner over his personal views that they somehow have the right to use the law and punish your business.
 
digsbe said:
Nah, the view that because government officials disagree with an owner over his personal views that they somehow have the right to use the law and punish your business.
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I never said the government officials weren't idiots. That doesn't make him any less of a bigot by supporting the denial of basic rights to one particular group of people and including his business - which is the livelihood of many Americans who may or may not disagree with him - in it.

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He's the one that said those were the companies views... not us. He brought Chick-fil-A into it.
 
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digsbe said:
Anti-bigot day ;) It's nice when Americans stand up and support a company that came under fire by intolerant bigoted officials filled with hate for a company and would consider abusing the law because they disagree with an owner's legally help personal view.
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:roll:

Homosexuals rights are infringed upon by bigots like Dan Cathy, who donate money to causes that promote hatred toward them and lobby for pro-discrimination policies. Dan Cathy's rights were "infringed upon" by a couple of grandstanding mayors making empty threats (which they walked back)?

Those situations are not even remotely comparable. And to draw a false equivalence between them (or worse, to go out of your way to support Chick-Fil-A) is absurd.
 
whysoserious said:
I never said the government officials weren't idiots. That doesn't make him any less of a bigot by deny basic rights to one particular group of people.
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Yeah, I can't stand that Chick Fil A supports abortion ;)

I hope that most people realize me throwing out terms like "bigot, intolerant, hatred" etc is really just a shot at the foolish rhetoric that many on the pro-SSM side want to engage in when discussing those who are against SSM.
 
whysoserious said:
Why? Why can one group of people go to the local Justice of the Peace and form a union that provides great economical means and another group cannot?
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I never said or hinted at that I think one should be able to and the other should not. What I actually said is that I think NO one should be able to do such a thing. I am full supporter of equal treatment in fact so this line of questions is misplaced.

You are defending a man whose rights were "infringed upon" because he supports the rights of others being infringed upon...
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I'm defending no one here.
 
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digsbe said:
Anti-bigot day ;) It's nice when Americans stand up and support a company that came under fire by intolerant bigoted officials filled with hate for a company and would consider abusing the law because they disagree with an owner's legally help personal view.
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Here is the sad thing that you don't seem to be getting...this day means different things to different people. Your perception of it is a day for fighting government intolerance and championing free speech. However, others see it as a bunch of people siding with traditional marriage and a company that donates money to hate groups. It doesn't matter how many chicken sandwiches you buy, you haven't and won't hurt the politicians who made these inappropriate threats. But what you have done is aligned yourself with some true bigots out there who see this as an opportunity to show the queers, and that undermines the entire point you were trying to make to begin with since those people are no better than the bigoted politicians you were trying to protest against.
 
digsbe said:
I hope that most people realize me throwing out terms like "bigot, intolerant, hatred" etc is really just a shot at the foolish rhetoric that many on the pro-SSM side want to engage in when discussing those who are against SSM.
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That's because people who support discrimination ARE bigoted, intolerant, and hateful. This is no different than people who support racial segregation or Jim Crow Laws.
 
digsbe said:
Yeah, I can't stand that Chick Fil A supports abortion ;)

I hope that most people realize me throwing out terms like "bigot, intolerant, hatred" etc is really just a shot at the foolish rhetoric that many on the pro-SSM side want to engage in when discussing those who are against SSM.
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Uhhh...

Bigot | Define Bigot at Dictionary.com
big·ot   [big-uht] Show IPA
noun
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
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You're telling me that him (and his company apparently) believing that God is going to judge a particular group - and I think we all know what that means - is not being intolerant of their "creed, belief, or opinion"? Sorry that I like to use definitions.
 
CriticalThought said:
Here is the sad thing that you don't seem to be getting...this day means different things to different people. Your perception of it is a day for fighting government intolerance and championing free speech. However, others see it as a bunch of people siding with traditional marriage and a company that donates money to hate groups. It doesn't matter how many chicken sandwiches you buy, you haven't and won't hurt the politicians who made these inappropriate threats. But what you have done is aligned yourself with some true bigots out there who see this as an opportunity to show the queers, and that undermines the entire point you were trying to make to begin with since those people are no better than the bigoted politicians you were trying to protest against.
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Are the homosexuals that are planning the "kiss-ins" also bigots? I don't support the government punishing the business of someone because they have an opposing view on SSM. I went out with the community today because even though I disagree with Cathy, I support his right to speak and not be punished for it by the intolerant haters. I know that the mayors could care less what I buy and it doesn't really impact their ignorant minds, but it was nice to be in the community to support a company's right to free speech by being with the community on a day designated to do so.
 
digsbe said:
Yeah, I can't stand that Chick Fil A supports abortion ;)

I hope that most people realize me throwing out terms like "bigot, intolerant, hatred" etc is really just a shot at the foolish rhetoric that many on the pro-SSM side want to engage in when discussing those who are against SSM.
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Actually, bigotry and hatred sum up a lot of anti-SSM views and intolerance sums up all of them. Denying that is denying reality. You should probably stop trying to dismiss the truth as "foolish rhetoric."
 
digsbe said:
Are the homosexuals that are planning the "kiss-ins" also bigots? I don't support the government punishing the business of someone because they have an opposing view on SSM. I went out with the community today because even though I disagree with Cathy, I support his right to speak and not be punished for it by the intolerant haters. I know that the mayors could care less what I buy and it doesn't really impact their ignorant minds, but it was nice to be in the community to support a company's right to free speech by being with the community on a day designated to do so.
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Let me ask you this: If the mayors of Boston and Chicago had never said anything, would you have gone to Chick-Fil-A today? :roll:
 
digsbe said:
Are the homosexuals that are planning the "kiss-ins" also bigots?
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By definition, yes. They aren't accomplishing anything but creating more negative publicity.

I don't support the government punishing the business of someone because they have an opposing view on SSM. I went out with the community today because even though I disagree with Cathy, I support his right to speak and not be punished for it by the intolerant haters. I know that the mayors could care less what I buy and it doesn't really impact their ignorant minds, but it was nice to be in the community to support a company's right to free speech by being with the community on a day designated to do so.
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A day designated by a politician with an anti gay agenda.

I'm not disagreeing with your intentions. I find them admirable. I just don't see how allowing yourself to be used in this manner is helpful to your cause.
 
digsbe said:
Are the homosexuals that are planning the "kiss-ins" also bigots? I don't support the government punishing the business of someone because they have an opposing view on SSM. I went out with the community today because even though I disagree with Cathy, I support his right to speak and not be punished for it by the intolerant haters. I know that the mayors could care less what I buy and it doesn't really impact their ignorant minds, but it was nice to be in the community to support a company's right to free speech by being with the community on a day designated to do so.
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What you aren't getting is that "the community" supporting Chik Fil A today wasn't particularly designated by its support of free speech. It's designated by it's support for anti-SSM rhetoric and beliefs.
 
Kandahar said:
That's because people who support discrimination ARE bigoted, intolerant, and hateful. This is no different than people who support racial segregation or Jim Crow Laws.
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SSM is not equal to racial segregation or Jim Crow. Is it ok for me to believe that pro-choice people are bigoted, intolerant and hateful because I think they discriminate against the unborn? The term is flung around constantly in such a self righteous manner.

whysoserious said:
Uhhh...

Bigot | Define Bigot at Dictionary.com


You're telling me that him (and his company apparently) believing that God is going to judge a particular group - and I think we all know what that means - is not being intolerant of their "creed, belief, or opinion"? Sorry that I like to use definitions.
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I think that God will judge everyone :shrug: Not just homosexuals. It depends on the context. But then again under the same definition am I not right in calling those who support punishing Chick Fil A over the CEO's personal belief's bigots? What about those who cannot tolerate or hate the personal beliefs of others that do not support SSM?


ThePlayDrive said:
Actually, bigotry and hatred sum up a lot of anti-SSM views and intolerance sums up all of them. Denying that is denying reality. You should probably stop trying to dismiss the truth as "foolish rhetoric."
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I was against SSM, I never hated anyone:shrug: I would agree that it's intolerance in that people refuse to allow a homosexual relationship to be defined as a marriage. But then again wouldn't that mean liberals are intolerant of the conservative tax code or that conservatives are intolerant of the liberal views on drug legalization? Being intolerant is not an inherently bad thing, it's when intolerance of something becomes hatred or when rights want to be violated does it become a bad thing (and yes, I think denying homosexuals the ability to get married is violating their rights as Americans in the spirit of liberty).
 
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