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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Did anyone say it wasn't? Do you bother to follow the chain of discussion, or do you just kind of throw out some slightly-relevant talking point and take the conversation in whatever new direction you'd like?



    Or...
    I can just not buy their chicken sandwiches.
    Yeah, that's fine. But you go a step beyond. You excuse government force and threat against an individual exercising his rights. And that's f'd up right there.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah, that's fine. But you go a step beyond. You excuse government force and threat against an individual exercising his rights.
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    [citation needed]
    Do you really need to be reminded of what you wrote. How you said it's no big deal that Chicago threatened them, it was saber rattling, it wasn't valid threat, blah blah blah? Or was that hazlnut? Y'all are starting to blur together at this point.
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    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Do you really need to be reminded of what you wrote. How you said it's no big deal that Chicago threatened them, it was saber rattling, it wasn't valid threat, blah blah blah? Is this how dishonest you choose to be in your arguments?
    There was a threat? I must have missed that. Help me out.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    There was a threat? I must have missed that. Help me out.
    Boston and Chicago threatened to keep Chick-Fil-A out after this. Do you need to be helped out on this, or are you just being dishonest?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Do you really need to be reminded of what you wrote. How you said it's no big deal that Chicago threatened them, it was saber rattling, it wasn't valid threat, blah blah blah? Is this how dishonest you choose to be in your arguments?
    Acknowledging it as mere political grandstanding (which it is), is not the same as "excusing government force." Excusing it would be if I said that they were JUSTIFIED in making that statement. But you know perfectly well that I never said that, so instead you have to make dishonest arguments like the disgusting liar you are.
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    I wonder what these bigots would say if I wanted too open a liqour that stays open on sunday? Or a porn shop in a small town....... or a store with a curse word (christian curse word that is ) printed on the door

    The KKK would show up quicker than if someone built a mosque in manhattan...........

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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Acknowledging it as mere political grandstanding (which it is), is not the same as "excusing government force." Excusing it would be if I said that they were JUSTIFIED in making that statement. But you know perfectly well that I never said that, so instead you have to make dishonest arguments like the disgusting liar you are.
    It is excusing government force as the threat is a force against the free exercise of rights. But you don't want to see it as such because you want the outcome. But if some idiot politician was claiming he didn't like gay people and was going to use his power of eminent domain to take land from homosexuals, even if he didn't do so and it is "political grandstanding", I bet you and some of your folk there would be up in arms. I would be too, but that's only because I'm rational and consistent with my arguments unlike the vast majority of you people.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Boston and Chicago threatened to keep Chick-Fil-A out after this. Do you need to be helped out on this, or are you just being dishonest?
    (775 ILCS 5/Art. 5 heading)
    ARTICLE 5. PUBLIC ACCOMMODATIONS

    (775 ILCS 5/5-101) (from Ch. 68, par. 5-101)
    Sec. 5-101. Definitions) The following definitions are applicable strictly in the context of this Article:
    (A) Place of Public Accommodation. "Place of public accommodation" includes, but is not limited to:
    (1) an inn, hotel, motel, or other place of lodging,

    except for an establishment located within a building that contains not more than 5 units for rent or hire and that is actually occupied by the proprietor of such establishment as the residence of such proprietor;
    (2) a restaurant, bar, or other establishment serving

    food or drink;
    (3) a motion picture house, theater, concert hall,

    stadium, or other place of exhibition or entertainment;
    (4) an auditorium, convention center, lecture hall,

    or other place of public gathering;
    (5) a bakery, grocery store, clothing store, hardware

    store, shopping center, or other sales or rental establishment;
    (6) a laundromat, dry-cleaner, bank, barber shop,

    beauty shop, travel service, shoe repair service, funeral parlor, gas station, office of an accountant or lawyer, pharmacy, insurance office, professional office of a health care provider, hospital, or other service establishment;
    (7) public conveyances on air, water, or land;
    (8) a terminal, depot, or other station used for

    specified public transportation;
    (9) a museum, library, gallery, or other place of

    public display or collection;
    (10) a park, zoo, amusement park, or other place of

    recreation;
    (11) a non-sectarian nursery, day care center,

    elementary, secondary, undergraduate, or postgraduate school, or other place of education;
    (12) a senior citizen center, homeless shelter, food

    bank, non-sectarian adoption agency, or other social service center establishment; and
    (13) a gymnasium, health spa, bowling alley, golf

    course, or other place of exercise or recreation.
    (B) Operator. "Operator" means any owner, lessee, proprietor, manager, superintendent, agent, or occupant of a place of public accommodation or an employee of any such person or persons.
    (C) Public Official. "Public official" means any officer or employee of the state or any agency thereof, including state political subdivisions, municipal corporations, park districts, forest preserve districts, educational institutions and schools.
    (Source: P.A. 95-668, eff. 10-10-07; 96-814, eff. 1-1-10.)

    (775 ILCS 5/5-102) (from Ch. 68, par. 5-102)
    Sec. 5-102. Civil Rights Violations: Public Accommodations. It is a civil rights violation for any person on the basis of unlawful discrimination to:
    (A) Enjoyment of Facilities, Goods, and Services. Deny or refuse to another the full and equal enjoyment of the facilities, goods, and services of any public place of accommodation;
    (B) Written Communications. Directly or indirectly, as the operator of a place of public accommodation, publish, circulate, display or mail any written communication, except a private communication sent in response to a specific inquiry, which the operator knows is to the effect that any of the facilities of the place of public accommodation will be denied to any person or that any person is unwelcome, objectionable or unacceptable because of unlawful discrimination;
    (C) Public Officials. Deny or refuse to another, as a public official, the full and equal enjoyment of the accommodations, advantage, facilities or privileges of the official's office or services or of any property under the official's care because of unlawful discrimination.
    (Source: P.A. 95-668, eff. 10-10-07.)

    (775 ILCS 5/5-102.1)
    Sec. 5-102.1. No Civil Rights Violation: Public Accommodations.
    (a) It is not a civil rights violation for a medical, dental, or other health care professional or a private professional service provider such as a lawyer, accountant, or insurance agent to refer or refuse to treat or provide services to an individual in a protected class for any non-discriminatory reason if, in the normal course of his or her operations or business, the professional would for the same reason refer or refuse to treat or provide services to an individual who is not in the protected class of the individual who seeks or requires the same or similar treatment or services.
    (b) With respect to a place of public accommodation defined in paragraph (11) of Section 5-101, the exercise of free speech, free expression, free exercise of religion or expression of religiously based views by any individual or group of individuals that is protected under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution or under Section 3 of Article I, or Section 4 of Article I, of the Illinois Constitution, shall not be a civil rights violation.
    (Source: P.A. 95-668, eff. 10-10-07; 96-814, eff. 1-1-10.)

    (775 ILCS 5/5-102.2)
    Sec. 5-102.2. Jurisdiction limited. In regard to places of public accommodation defined in paragraph (11) of Section 5-101, the jurisdiction of the Department is limited to: (1) the failure to enroll an individual; (2) the denial of access to facilities, goods, or services; or (3) severe or pervasive harassment of an individual when the covered entity fails to take corrective action to stop the severe or pervasive harassment.
    (Source: P.A. 96-814, eff. 1-1-10.)

    (775 ILCS 5/5-103) (from Ch. 68, par. 5-103)
    Sec. 5-103. Exemption. Nothing in this Article shall apply to:
    (A) Private Club. A private club, or other establishment not in fact open to the public, except to the extent that the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, or accommodations of the establishment are made available to the customers or patrons of another establishment that is a place of public accommodation.
    (B) Facilities Distinctly Private. Any facility, as to discrimination based on sex, which is distinctly private in nature such as restrooms, shower rooms, bath houses, health clubs and other similar facilities for which the Department, in its rules and regulations, may grant exemptions based on bona fide considerations of public policy.
    (C) Inn, Hotel, Rooming House. Any facility, as to discrimination based on sex, which restricts the rental of rooms to individuals of one sex.
    (Source: P.A. 85-567.)
    775*ILCS*5/*Illinois Human Rights Act.

    Not sure about Boston law, but Illinois seems to have this one covered.
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

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