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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Yes really. "Seriously stop trying to be offended by things, or get upset at people for not agreeing with you on every exact little thing, for not bowing down to your opinions" can be said to all of those who are attacking him and Chick-fil-A because of his opinion. Fair is fair, correct? I don't think his opinion is vile, either. I acknowledge that not everyone is in lock-step, supporting GM.
    There is a huge difference between being offended by someone not agreeing with your stance, and having someone say that your relationships makes God angry, and is going to destroy the country.
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Gender discrimination is technically legal within certain bounds. The only way the gender discrimination argument would hold legal clout is of the Equal Rights Amendment was amended, and that Amendment failed.
    It is legal within certain bounds, but there has to be a clear state interest to do so, and with denying SSM there isn't.

    And you didn't answer my question.
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    There is a huge difference between being offended by someone not agreeing with your stance, and having someone say that your relationships makes God angry, and is going to destroy the country.
    That "difference" is a result of personal bias. Yeah, the CEO's religious and he has a differing view on GM. Now, is he going to start the rapture or attempt to kill homosexuals? We don't know and can only speculate/insinuate. Is the man entitled to an opinion without being punished by narrow-sighted mayors? Yes, he does. Am I tolerant enough to allow people to have their opinions without attacking them, yes. Understandably the man's views contrast sharply with yours. That's what makes America great, because everyone has the right to an opinion without being punished. You wouldn't like it if people punished you for holding your opinions either, I'd imagine. We should tolerate all opinions. Actions are what we should not tolerate if they are actually intended to harm others. I think people have gotten so sensitive that they can't resist being nasty and vicious towards those with sharply differing views.

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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    That "difference" is a result of personal bias. Yeah, the CEO's religious and he has a differing view on GM. Now, is he going to start the rapture or attempt to kill homosexuals? We don't know and can only speculate/insinuate. Is the man entitled to an opinion without being punished by narrow-sighted mayors? Yes, he does. Am I tolerant enough to allow people to have their opinions without attacking them, yes. Understandably the man's views contrast sharply with yours. That's what makes America great, because everyone has the right to an opinion without being punished. You wouldn't like it if people punished you for holding your opinions either, I'd imagine. We should tolerate all opinions. Actions are what we should not tolerate if they are actually intended to harm others. I think people have gotten so sensitive that they can't resist being nasty and vicious towards those with sharply differing views.
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    It is legal within certain bounds, but there has to be a clear state interest to do so, and with denying SSM there isn't.

    And you didn't answer my question.
    I've cited the landmark case where MA took DOMA to court and the judge ruled that DOMA violates the 10th Amendment and affirms that states can define marriage for themselves.

    There is nothing that would prevent SSM fro being legal, it's up to the states. Marriage is regulated by the states and legal definition of marriage is a societal thing, society can legally approve of polygamy or abolish marriage altogether. It is within legal bounds for a state to define marriage either for or against SSM.
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Read the 14th amendment and you will realize that SSM is a constitutional right.
    Under what part? Equal protection of the law does not mean MAN = WOMAN or BLACK = WHITE or there would have been no need for the 15th or 19th amendments. What many seek to do is to "tweek" the constitution to inlcude federal jurisdiction over SSM, polygamy, prostitution and recreational drug use simply because they do not like their state laws. Is it not curious that TWO constitutional actions were required for ONLY the recreational use of the alcohol, yet NONE was required for the nationawide banning of marijuana, herione, cocain, meth, LSD, ecstasy or bath salts?
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I've cited the landmark case where MA took DOMA to court and the judge ruled that DOMA violates the 10th Amendment and affirms that states can define marriage for themselves.

    There is nothing that would prevent SSM fro being legal, it's up to the states. Marriage is regulated by the states and legal definition of marriage is a societal thing, society can legally approve of polygamy or abolish marriage altogether. It is within legal bounds for a state to define marriage either for or against SSM.
    No it's not, this is going to be like Loving v Virginia, where the SCOTUS is going to rule and SSM will be legal throughout the whole country, probably within the next 5 years I imagine.

    It is against the constitution to discriminate without a clear state interest, and there is none here. I shouldn't be punished for living in Georgia because my state is ass backwards on this issue.
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, I mean Iowa's law against it was struck down by the courts. They are not the only state this has happened in.
    I am confused since SSM is now LEGAL in six states: Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New York, Vermont and in DC. Are you saying that the courts CREATED (via judicial activism) a SSM law in Iowa?
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Both mayors walked those threats back. And buying a chicken sandwich does not do anything to prevent government officials from doing this in the future, if that is the concern. I'm calling bull**** on ANYONE who claims that they attended "Chick-Fil-A Appreciation Day" not because they support discrimination, but because they were just so horrified by Rahm Emanuel making a silly remark.
    And I'm calling bull**** on you as you cannot possibly know what all those people were thinking. It's not a silly remark my Emanuel either, it's a serious threat of government force against our free exercise of rights. That sort of behavior cannot be tolerated from government. If people want to boycott or buy, that's their business; but the government cannot get involved. And his little remarks did constitute government involvement, he laid credible threat against an individual who had merely spoken his mind. It is not tolerable.
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    No it's not, this is going to be like Loving v Virginia, where the SCOTUS is going to rule and SSM will be legal throughout the whole country, probably within the next 5 years I imagine.

    It is against the constitution to discriminate without a clear state interest, and there is none here. I shouldn't be punished for living in Georgia because my state is ass backwards on this issue.
    I doubt it, but we'll have to wait and see. Is there a clear state interest in encouraging the nuclear family? That'll be up for argument. Again, no one has a crystal ball that's worth anything on this. We'll see.

    And we are a union of states, if you don't like Georgia, you're plenty free to move to a state you might like better. People of all income levels and financial circumstances do just that every single day.

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