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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    In this case they appear to be one in the same. Just because people politisize a religious belief does not stop it from being a religious belief.
    It's not about "politicizing" a religious belief.

    If you believe that marriage, a LEGAL term, shouldn't be recognized under the law as being able to be between two men or two women...that's a POLITICAL view.

    Your reasoning may be religious in nature, but you're speaking about a POLITICAL issue.

    Because your reasoning is based on religion makes your view no less unable to be attacked then if your reasoning was based on science, philosophy, personal experience, political ideology, or any other reason that leads one to take a political stance.

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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

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    So you've never voted for an individual on the national or state level that's contributed their vote to restricting of individuals rights regarding the ownership and carrying of firearms? I would say voting is "political action". I find it hard to believe given the gun laws present in the state you live. Or is it basically that restricting of rights is something that you selectively have issues with depending on how you personally value the right and the importance of the right and the level in which you feel the government should be okay in involving itself in that right?
    I've never voted in a local or state level election, including Congress. The one ballot I have ever cast was for Obama.
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Again....comparing a company (chick-fil-a) whose charitable arm (wingate) then gives money to another group (FRC) that does many good things as well as some hateful things as well to flat out a group like the KKK or the Nazi Party is ridiculous and goes beyond simply "intensity".
    What hateful things does the FRC do? I don't see it.
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What hateful things does the FRC do? I don't see it.
    They spread propaganda that gays are pedophiles.
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    The intensity of groups like the KKK and the Nazi Party is higher than that of groups like the Family Research Council. However, the reality is that both spread hateful messages about those whom they perceive as less than them and who they don't believe are worthy of the same treatment for arbitrary reasons. As a result, the comparison is a fair one if you understand what's being compared.
    your issue appears to be with the family research council not with chick fil a. Chick fil a gives money to the winshape foundation. The winshape foundation makes donations to huge list of charities many of which are christian based. They also give millions to helping the poor, help homeless kids find permanent homes, puts kids through college, and much more. The winshape foundation has made america a better place.

    As far as their involvement with the family research council have you really looked into that? I am curious because from what I was able to find Winshape donated $1000 to them in 2009. Futhermore the FRC does more than just oppress gay people. They oppose gay marriage, abortion, divorce, stem cell research and pornography. Whether Mr. Cathy believes in all those things or some or all of their practices they use to promote their message we dont really know. All anyone around here wants to do is assume since he gave them 1000 dollars out of 9 million that he donated to what he thinks will help make the world a better place is he is doing to oppress gays. For all you know all he opposes as far as gays is them being allowed to be married. He may support civil unions, and fully rights to gay couple under that heading, and support all other gay rights. But so many only see what they want.
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Again....comparing a company (chick-fil-a) whose charitable arm (wingate) then gives money to another group (FRC) that does many good things as well as some hateful things as well to flat out a group like the KKK or the Nazi Party is ridiculous and goes beyond simply "intensity".
    I don't think people have been comparing Chik Fil A to those entities. I think they've compared FRC to those groups - which is understandable. And it doesn't matter if FRC does "good things." The KKK and the Nazis did good things as well - they were still hate groups. I also find it hilarious that you minimize the hateful things they do by saying they do "some" hateful things and exaggerate the good things by saying they do "many." Please.

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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    They spread propaganda that gays are pedophiles.
    Link for this? I quickly scanned their website and found nothing even remotely suggesting that. Maybe I missed it? Never mind. Google is my friend.

    And they do claim a connection between homosexuality and pedophilia. No doubt. Are we sure they're wrong? Is it possible that pedophilia is committed much more often by homosexual males? I don't know. We know one thing for sure: pedophiles are incurable.
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Tess, I think if they hold the view that the institution of marriage should be under the sole purview of the Church, then they shouldn't even bother with trying to shape secular marriage since in their eyes secular marriage has no validity. They simply have to face the fact that the civil and secular institution of marriage exists whether they like it or not, and apply their own beliefs to the religious institution rather than the secular and civil one. Just because I'm a Hindu who believes that cows are deities and that the consumption of beef is offensive to me doesn't justify me making beef consumption illegal for everyone else.
    You're approaching as somebody with no religious affiliation. The mindset of and education given to members of any religion creates a different idea of how to handle those who don't agree or don't practice as you've been instructed. "Live and let live" is not a long-standing mentality in any major world religion. Conversion through request or force has been a key tenant of religion for thousands of years.

    I'm not saying I don't agree with you. I'm just saying it's much easier to say or assume that certain behaviors must be exhibited by a religious body than to actually make them happen. Think of how you feel when you're told by the religious that you need to accept the behaviors you don't like? It's the same for them, and they think they're just as correct as you think you are.

    We'll never 'win' the victories we expect if we refuse to understand the motivation of the opposition. And it's so much deeper than "the bible says".
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    this type of disrespect toward religion is just as bad as any anti gay remarks anyone else has made. mr cathy said his opinion about what marriage was, this is just openly mocking millions of people because their beliefs are different. Why does no one around here condemn these types of remarks?
    Get this through your head. Their's is a twisted version of 'religion.' They are like the WBC.

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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Link for this? I quickly scanned their website and found nothing even remotely suggesting that. Maybe I missed it?
    The Southern Poverty Law Center classifies them as a hate group. Here are a few of their gems:

    “Gaining access to children has been a long-term goal of the homosexual movement.”
    — Robert Knight, FRC director of cultural studies, and Frank York, 1999

    “[Homosexuality] … embodies a deep-seated hatred against true religion.”
    — Steven Schwalm, FRC senior writer and analyst, in “Desecrating Corpus Christi,” 1999

    “One of the primary goals of the homosexual rights movement is to abolish all age of consent laws and to eventually recognize pedophiles as the ‘prophets' of a new sexual order.”
    -1999 FRC pamphlet, Homosexual Activists Work to Normalize Sex with Boys.

    “[T]he evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of gay men seek adolescent males or boys as sexual partners.”
    — Timothy Dailey, senior research fellow, “Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse,” 2002

    “While activists like to claim that pedophilia is a completely distinct orientation from homosexuality, evidence shows a disproportionate overlap between the two. … It is a homosexual problem.”
    — FRC President Tony Perkins, FRC website, 2010

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