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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    attacing a man because of his religious beliefs and attempting to cause him financial hardships for expressing them opening equates to suppression.
    Some people are not attacking him specifically for his religious beliefs, but rather for his POLITICAL beliefs.

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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    But what if you disagree on what a right is or should be? Some people don't view marriage as a government contract (which it has become), but rather a privilege of religion designed to perpetuate the church. Because it is a privilege there is plenty of justification for limiting access to that privilege on the basis of religious dictate and law.
    Then they should limit their actions to the realm of the religious institution of marriage (i.e. the religious ceremony), rather than the civil one. Which I totally have no problem with.
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I don't mock and attack others for disagreeing with me. I attack when they are making a ****ty argument. In this case, the ****ty argument about the "Biblical definition of marriage."



    And yet there are those who routinely quote Leviticus as a justification for why gays shouldn't be able to marry. And like I pointed out earlier, nowhere in the Bible does it actually define marriage as explicitly between a man and a woman.
    i am not going to sit here and discuss the bible. There is no sense in that. Every person who chooses too can interpret it any way that they wish. That includes Mr. Cathy. You calling his belief names then saying that you dont attack peoples religious beliefs is pretty hypocritical. You can choose to be tolerant and you can choose to fight for your beliefs the way that many tolerant and intelligent people do.

    Or you can try to force your beliefs down peoples throats by making piss poor attempts to make the others sides religious beliefs look bad by trying to isolate small portions of their text and exploit it like ignorant bigots do.

    Different strokes for different folks i suppose.
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Not sure I ever argued against this point, so I have no idea why you're bringing it up. Let's be careful about making dumb assumptions, shall we?
    Not sure where I assumed that you disagreed with that point, so I have no idea why you're calling it a dumb assumption. Let's be careful about making dumb assumptions, shall we?
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Then they should limit their actions to the realm of the religious institution of marriage (i.e. the religious ceremony), rather than the civil one. Which I totally have no problem with.
    I think they view the civil concept of marriage as utterly inappropriate anyway. That's why most of them don't balk at "civil unions". As far as they're concerned it doesn't mean anything because it isn't "marriage", which, according to them, belongs solely to religion. As you and I both know, marriage neither began with or will end with religion...but we're talking about thousands of years of indoctrination.
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    They absolutely do. Just as others have the right to not support a business that openly endorses discrimination.
    I don't think there's one poster here who would disagree with that. The arguments mostly come from the intolerance that's being shown by those who attack religion based on their views on gay marriage. IMO, churches get a pass. Otherwise, we don't really have freedom of religion in this country.

    We villify corporations for their inhumanity all the time. Here's a solid, faith-based company who, by all accounts, treats its employees and franchisees while looking through the lens of Christian Values. Yet we bash them in the head for that. Surely many religions don't embrace SSM. Have we villifed them? Are we picketting in front of their synagogs, mosques and chapels? No. We're not. But let the owner of a company walk the walk? We're ready to hang 'im from the highest tree.

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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, I actually generally agreed with your point being made. It was others in this thread who've tried to compare it to "Westboro Bapist Church" and the "Nazi Party" that I have issues with.

    A little common sense is what I'm saying in regards to trying to compare disagreeing with laws that allow homosexual marriage be recognized under the law and being a Nazi or the view points of Westboro as some kind of equivalent thing.

    Being against gay marriage makes one equivalent to a group that believes being homosexual should be a "Capital Crime" as being in favor of gun registration makes on equivalent to groups that feel that all guns should be banned.
    The intensity of groups like the KKK and the Nazi Party is higher than that of groups like the Family Research Council. However, the reality is that both spread hateful messages about those whom they perceive as less than them and who they don't believe are worthy of the same treatment for arbitrary reasons. As a result, the comparison is a fair one if you understand what's being compared.

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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Some people are not attacking him specifically for his religious beliefs, but rather for his POLITICAL beliefs.
    In this case they appear to be one in the same. Just because people politisize a religious belief does not stop it from being a religious belief. many religious people including billions outside the christian faith beleive that ssm (homosexuality in general in many cases) is wrong and it has little to nothing to do with politics. It has to do with their moral beliefs that are founded in their religion.
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    i am not going to sit here and discuss the bible. There is no sense in that. Every person who chooses too can interpret it any way that they wish. That includes Mr. Cathy. You calling his belief names then saying that you dont attack peoples religious beliefs is pretty hypocritical. You can choose to be tolerant and you can choose to fight for your beliefs the way that many tolerant and intelligent people do.

    Or you can try to force your beliefs down peoples throats by making piss poor attempts to make the others sides religious beliefs look bad by trying to isolate small portions of their text and exploit it like ignorant bigots do.

    Different strokes for different folks i suppose.
    Muciti. For the last time. I'm not attacking Christians for their beliefs. If you had ever spent any time in the religion/philosophy forum, I've routinely defended the religious against idiotic attacks by atheists. I'm attacking a ****ty argument.
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The only political cause I've ever donated money to is Human Rights Campaign. So yes.
    So you've never voted for an individual on the national or state level that's contributed their vote to restricting of individuals rights regarding the ownership and carrying of firearms? I would say voting is "political action". I find it hard to believe given the gun laws present in the state you live. Or is it basically that restricting of rights is something that you selectively have issues with depending on how you personally value the right and the importance of the right and the level in which you feel the government should be okay in involving itself in that right?

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