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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    In your opinion they're hate groups and pro-discrimination groups.

    Are these groups tarring and feathering anybody?
    Performing lynchings?
    Throwing people into gas chambers or ovens to fry?
    Standing outside of military funerals with "God hates fags" signs?

    Or are they fighting in court and through lobbying to prevent gay marriage? 'Cause even if they're wrong about gay marriage, they have every right to protest against it.
    As do white nationalists when it comes to pursuing their own agenda. That doesn't make the KKK any less a purveyor of bigotry and discrimination.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    In your opinion they're hate groups and pro-discrimination groups.
    Not just my opinion; the Southern Poverty Law Center (the nation's foremost organization that tracks hate groups) classifies the Family Research Council as a hate group for spreading propaganda about gays being pedophiles. Dan Cathy gives them money.

    As for pro-discrimination groups...what else would you call an organization that advocates different rights for one class of citizens than for another?

    Are these groups tarring and feathering anybody?
    Performing lynchings?
    Throwing people into gas chambers or ovens to fry?
    They aren't directly doing these things, although they are fostering an atmosphere of hatred toward homosexuals in which violence against them is more likely.

    Standing outside of military funerals with "God hates fags" signs?
    The Family Research Council comes pretty close to that.

    Or are they fighting in court and through lobbying to prevent gay marriage? 'Cause even if they're wrong about gay marriage, they have every right to protest against it.
    They absolutely do. Just as others have the right to not support a business that openly endorses discrimination.
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    As do white nationalists when it comes to pursuing their own agenda. That doesn't make the KKK any less a purveyor of bigotry and discrimination.
    just because someone disagrees with your point of view they should be equated to the KKK? How is suppression of religios beliefs any differnt?
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    how original. another person looking for small parts of the bible that are in no way appliciable today to try to make an entire faith of people look bad while ignoring 99% of the book. Hey you want to do the muslim faith next? Then we can mock the jews for their faith too! Hell lets openly mock anyone who's faith differs from yours and pretend we are taking the high road for it. Sounds fun!
    If that's all you took away from my post, then my point went way over your head.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    As do white nationalists when it comes to pursuing their own agenda. That doesn't make the KKK any less a purveyor of bigotry and discrimination.
    I'm not sure what you're saying here. The KKK also has a record of burning crosses on lawns and allegedly lynching black people. They're not just a group using the court system to move on their agenda.

    I know you feel strongly about this, and you know I fully support gay marriage.

    But come on, SB. Not every single person who opposes gay marriage has an agenda to hurt, humiliate, or castigate homosexuals. Some of them (and you know a few), struggle every day to reconcile what they're taught about God's desires and what they feel personally for gay people in their own lives. It isn't as cut and dry as "He opposes gay marriage, he's a terrible bigot and a hateful monster."
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    just because someone disagrees with your point of view they should be equated to the KKK?
    It has jack to do with disagreement. It has to do with the fact that they are attempting to deny an entire segment of the population their fundamental rights, which isn't any morally less reprehensible than denying minorities the right to vote.

    How is suppression of religios beliefs any differnt?
    Who's suppressing anyone's beliefs?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    He's not really trying to make anybody look bad. He's pointing out the reality of selective application. It does happen a lot in the modern world.
    the way it appears to me is he is mocking and attacking a religion because it differs from his beliefs. There are a lot of things in the old testament that were far more a product of there time and are not appliciable today. That is not selective application.
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    In my defense, I was trying to make the point that there are ways to reject gay marriage without being a raging asshole, and that people should focus on those who are raging assholes instead of making giant issues out of people who share their views more politely.
    No, I actually generally agreed with your point being made. It was others in this thread who've tried to compare it to "Westboro Bapist Church" and the "Nazi Party" that I have issues with.

    A little common sense is what I'm saying in regards to trying to compare disagreeing with laws that allow homosexual marriage be recognized under the law and being a Nazi or the view points of Westboro as some kind of equivalent thing.

    Being against gay marriage makes one equivalent to a group that believes being homosexual should be a "Capital Crime" as being in favor of gun registration makes on equivalent to groups that feel that all guns should be banned.

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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Not just my opinion; the Southern Poverty Law Center (the nation's foremost organization that tracks hate groups) classifies the Family Research Council as a hate group for spreading propaganda about gays being pedophiles. Dan Cathy gives them money.

    As for pro-discrimination groups...what else would you call an organization that advocates different rights for one class of citizens than for another?



    They aren't directly doing these things, although they are fostering an atmosphere of hatred toward homosexuals in which violence against them is more likely.



    The Family Research Council comes pretty close to that.



    They absolutely do. Just as others have the right to not support a business that openly endorses discrimination.
    Not sure I ever argued against this point, so I have no idea why you're bringing it up. Let's be careful about making dumb assumptions, shall we?
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    re: Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day brings out supporters, protesters [W:529]

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I'm not sure what you're saying here. The KKK also has a record of burning crosses on lawns and allegedly lynching black people. They're not just a group using the court system to move on their agenda.

    I know you feel strongly about this, and you know I fully support gay marriage.

    But come on, SB. Not every single person who opposes gay marriage has an agenda to hurt, humiliate, or castigate homosexuals. Some of them (and you know a few), struggle every day to reconcile what they're taught about God's desires and what they feel personally for gay people in their own lives. It isn't as cut and dry as "He opposes gay marriage, he's a terrible bigot and a hateful monster."
    Like I've said elsewhere, it's one thing to hold to your own personal beliefs. I don't have a problem with that, though I disagree. It's quite another to engage in political action to actively deny someone else their rights.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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