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Federal Deficit Highest Since 1940s

I really am starting to think conservatives don't realize just what ideas like "stop spending" will do to our economy. They want to follow the free market have Americans working for the same wages as Chinese people. They want to cut government in size by anywhere from 25% to 50% (laying off anywhere from 750,000 to 1,500,000 people in the process). They want to end SS. I mean, yeah, say we do all this? Then what? We put the majority of American workers to work for the 6-7$ slave wage a kid in Bangladesh is willing to take from Nike?

Agree, Tariffs are the only solution.
 
Unfortunately it's true of both sides. Ryan's budget is one example. Another is Obamacare, which includes a $500 billion reduction in Medicare provider payments. Republicans attacked that as an assault on Medicare ... while calling for the much steeper cuts in Ryan's budget.

While Agreed that Republicans attacking Obamacare for "cutting Medicare" were being hypocritical in attacking simply for cutting Medicare, it's worth pointing out that Obamacare actually cuts more than the Ryan Plan. Both reduce future expenditures by keeping Medicare to a growth rate of "Inflation +1", but Obamacares' cuts take effect starting in 2014, while Ryan's wouldn't until 2022.

The only way we're going to do entitlement reform is if the two sides do it together. And what are the chances of that these days....?

Nil. President Obama had a rather historic chance when the Simpson-Bowles Commission and the Ryan Plan came out, and he decided to go for Mediscare instead.
 
Agree, Tariffs are the only solution.

Limited tariffs.

I want a human rights tariff on products imported from countries that violate the human rights of their laborers that make it difficult for countries that respect human rights to compete with them. These tariffs would increase the price of their products to a level as if they were manufactured in a country that does respect human rights. Hopefully, that would give those nations the impetus to improve the working conditions for their labor force.

I also want a global protection tariff on products imported from countries that keep defense spending below a certain threshold. The U.S. economy is suffering because we spend so much on defense on global initiatives, such as keeping maritime shipping lanes safe from piracy. Those nations who do not provide spending for their own military to provide for global stability should have their imports into the U.S. taxed to help offset the cost. After all, those nations benefit economically from safe shipping lanes patrolled by the U.S. military. If they are going to benefit then they should chip in to the maintenance of that security.
 
Good idea. Who needs a stable supply of oil? Not the US economy! :thumbs:

Indeed. What the U.S. economy needs instead is other forms of stable energy supply besides oil. Especially when the U.S. military is the largest purchaser and consumer of oil in the world.
 
Good idea. Who needs a stable supply of oil? Not the US economy! :thumbs:

Most of our oil comes from domestic production or Canada.
 
Indeed. What the U.S. economy needs instead is other forms of stable energy supply besides oil. Especially when the U.S. military is the largest purchaser and consumer of oil in the world.


yay! magical unicorns are going to save us!
 
Most of our oil comes from domestic production or Canada.


1. oil is fungible
2. the United States economy is built to be dependent upon a global supply / trade chain.
 
Limited tariffs.

I want a human rights tariff on products imported from countries that violate the human rights of their laborers that make it difficult for countries that respect human rights to compete with them. These tariffs would increase the price of their products to a level as if they were manufactured in a country that does respect human rights. Hopefully, that would give those nations the impetus to improve the working conditions for their labor force.

Arbitrary, and easily bypassed and propaganda is easily bought out.

"Human rights" is a leftist buzzphrase. Someone could say that throwing Tariffs up reduces "Human rights", creates victims, and you bleeding hearts would relent, basically nothing would change if it were up to you types.
 
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Unfortunately it's true of both sides. Ryan's budget is one example. Another is Obamacare, which includes a $500 billion reduction in Medicare provider payments. Republicans attacked that as an assault on Medicare ... while calling for the much steeper cuts in Ryan's budget. The only way we're going to do entitlement reform is if the two sides do it together. And what are the chances of that these days....?
The two sides need to be eradicated from power in their current form. The GOP no longer stands for anything conservative, the democrats are the same for liberalism. I am not saying the two parties are exactly the same, but it is two sides of the same coin. The coin needs replacing, not merely flipping it from heads to tails.
 
Indeed. What the U.S. economy needs instead is other forms of stable energy supply besides oil. Especially when the U.S. military is the largest purchaser and consumer of oil in the world.

Natural Gas---and we are sitting on one of the world's largest natural supplies of it. Order I believe is Russia, Canada, US.
Its cleaner, but its a hell of lot more expensive to transport---you have to get it to subzero temps to turn it to a liquid then change it back and keep it at pressure for use in vehicles.

Work out the safety issues and it may change how a lot of things are done, who knows. It already passed Coal in domestic energy production, an important milestone.
 
Stop extending the Bush tax cuts.

Which wont stop the morons in Washington from spending all the new revenue. We need to control spending. We havent controlled spending for at least 2 generations.
 
Stop extending the Bush tax cuts.

Aren't they the Obama tax cuts now. Or is he responsible for NOTHING he does, the republicans made him do it.

Hoe about stopping the extended war in Afghanistan that Obama gave us.
 
Aren't they the Obama tax cuts now. Or is he responsible for NOTHING he does, the republicans made him do it.

Hoe about stopping the extended war in Afghanistan that Obama gave us.

Don't mention the other wars he signed us up for. Egypt, Lybia, Syrbia. Every UN action has a cost. Especially when we fire 98% of the munitions and 80% of the air sorties.
 
A perfect illustration as to why ALL American who earn dollar one need to start paying more in income taxes to pay off this debt. Yes, spending cuts are needed. But there is no way that any such cuts can pay for this debt.
 
A perfect illustration as to why ALL American who earn dollar one need to start paying more in income taxes to pay off this debt. Yes, spending cuts are needed. But there is no way that any such cuts can pay for this debt.

I am not sure folks do not agree with you on that. My disagreement comes from saying we should turn a few knobs on a broken system, which gets us little but a slightly improved broken system. I think people should hold out for true reform. Stop talking (not you but the politicians) and work on fixing something that we know has been broken for a long time, but does not a real review because of all the political goodies in the current code.
 
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