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    Re: Leading Israeli religious Zionist rabbi: A woman's place is in the home

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    An extremist says something stupid. In other news, the sun rose today.
    Extremist? Since when is being a misogynist an extremist position in Judaism, Christianity and Islam? Actually, I'd say it's historically a pretty mainstream position. It's even endorsed, supported and affirmed by their religious books to the agreement of many religious, and their flock leaders, throughout 30 centuries of recorded human history. It became an extremist position to the secular masses when women realized that religion doesn't get to define their place. An extremist? No. This man is a traditionalist much in the way of people today who seek to interpret the Constitution as they believe the Founding Fathers would have.
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    Re: Leading Israeli religious Zionist rabbi: A woman's place is in the home

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Extremist? Since when is being a misogynist an extremist position in Judaism, Christianity and Islam? .
    The question you SHOULD be asking is what percentage in each religion hold similar views.

    In this country, such opinions among Jews are quite rare, as Jews as a whole are more liberal than the average American. There are perhaps a few more fundie Jews in Israel than here, but it is still uncommon enough to be considered well outside the mainstream.
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    Re: Leading Israeli religious Zionist rabbi: A woman's place is in the home

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    The question you SHOULD be asking is what percentage in each religion hold similar views.

    In this country, such opinions among Jews are quite rare, as Jews as a whole are more liberal than the average American. There are perhaps a few more fundie Jews in Israel than here, but it is still uncommon enough to be considered well outside the mainstream.
    You subscribe to spurious accuracy? You know better than to do that. My argument remains. Misogyny is not foreign or extremist concept within Judaeo-Christian or Islamic beliefs. As a matter of fact, they've historically been mainstream amongst these religions.

    Wether they're no longer accepted among certain more secular (or for lack of a better word atheistic) segments of society is irrelevant. We could easily take a stroll down the streets of historically Christian/Jewish/Islamic countries and find that there is a religiously grounded marginalization of women across the board regardless of your spurious and irrelevant percentage differences.

    Now the discussion which I sought to bring up was that of misogyny within the Abrahamic faiths. You obviously want to push away from that. I guess we are only going to dive into the collective misogyny endorsed by these religions when you can take swipes at Islam and only Islam with immunity?
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    Re: Leading Israeli religious Zionist rabbi: A woman's place is in the home

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Extremist? Since when is being a misogynist an extremist position in Judaism, Christianity and Islam? Actually, I'd say it's historically a pretty mainstream position. It's even endorsed, supported and affirmed by their religious books to the agreement of many religious, and their flock leaders, throughout 30 centuries of recorded human history. It became an extremist position to the secular masses when women realized that religion doesn't get to define their place. An extremist? No. This man is a traditionalist much in the way of people today who seek to interpret the Constitution as they believe the Founding Fathers would have.
    Of course he's an extremist. Take a cross sample of people from any of those religions and find out what the current mainstream positions are. They won't be similar to what's posted in the OP.
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    Re: Leading Israeli religious Zionist rabbi: A woman's place is in the home

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Of course he's an extremist. Take a cross sample of people from any of those religions and find out what the current mainstream positions are. They won't be similar to what's posted in the OP.
    Argumentum ad populum? Fallacy. Again, you can't be an "extremist" when you're arguing the historically mainstream understanding of verses found in your religion's books and endorsed by clergy etc. Or are you now going to argue that Judaism, Islam and Christianity, as religions do not see women as being lesser beings? If anything, it is the mainstream understanding of these religions which has become washed out. He's a traditionalist, not an extremist.

    PS: If your argument is that if it's not held by a fallaciously invented mainstream it's "extremism", then you may as well start arguing that atheism is an extremist position seeing as how we currently comprise about 7-8% of the populace at best.
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    Re: Leading Israeli religious Zionist rabbi: A woman's place is in the home

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    So she thinks women should be allowed to be preachers, ministers, priests, etc.?
    That is correct.

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    Re: Leading Israeli religious Zionist rabbi: A woman's place is in the home

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    So she thinks women should be allowed to be preachers, ministers, priests, etc.?
    There's already a lot of different sects of Christianity that accept female preachers, including Baptists, Methodists, Anglicans/Episcopalians and Lutherans. I see no reason why not.
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    Re: Leading Israeli religious Zionist rabbi: A woman's place is in the home

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    You subscribe to spurious accuracy?
    I don't know, man. Do they deliver?
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    Re: Leading Israeli religious Zionist rabbi: A woman's place is in the home

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    There appear to be people who disagree with you.

    Some religions do not allow women to become official leaders of the flock.
    Thus my correction to a reply:
    "Without religion, people would have no wars. Religion is the only thing that makes us bad."

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    Re: Leading Israeli religious Zionist rabbi: A woman's place is in the home

    Hatuey actually makes the correct assessment in my opinion. I'm not sure why many here are quick to criticize his views on this? Some might even say that a lot of the problems in this world, especially in the western society could go away tomorrow if women were more inclined to stay home and take care of the home. I suppose I'm extree then since my wife has been a stay at home since we met. My kids are better off, our home is spotless and well kept, and my wife and I enjoy each others roles in our family. I have a great deal of respect for her role, and she is equally respectful of mine.

    What's so extreme about a women place rteally IS in the home!


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